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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:53 pm    Post subject: RTP300 + WGT654v2 Problem Reply with quote Back to top

After reading the dozen or so posts, I've given up even thinking about putting my Netgear WGT624v2 in front of the Linksys RTP300. I now find that even if I use the wireless Netgear behind the Linksys ( as just a client ), I cant even use my wireless laptop. I've power cycled everything and suppose since the NG has a default IP of 192.168.0.1 and the Lan of the Linksys is 192.168.15.xxx, they can't even talk with each other. Can anyone tell me how I can get my Netgear wireless router to start working again? Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: RTP300 + WGT654v2=HELL Reply with quote Back to top

NorthIL wrote:
After reading the dozen or so posts, I've given up even thinking about putting my Netgear WGT624v2 in front of the Linksys RTP300. I now find that even if I use the wireless Netgear behind the Linksys ( as just a client ), I cant even use my wireless laptop. I've power cycled everything and suppose since the NG has a default IP of 192.168.0.1 and the Lan of the Linksys is 192.168.15.xxx, they can't even talk with each other. Can anyone tell me how I can get my Netgear wireless router to start working again? Mad


Here's what I'd try, just in case you haven't tried this configuration:

1. Hook your NetGear to your ISP.
2. Plug your various wired PC's into the NetGear.

You now have a working network.

Power up the RTP300 with nothing attached. Temporarily plug a computer into the RTP300. Turn off its firewall, QoS, and everything else you can find except the basics. Set it to "automatically get IP from server" or set it's client IP to a fixed IP outside the DHCP range of your NetGear but on the same subnet. Turn ON remote administration.

Integrate the RTP300, as a Vonage DEVICE ONLY, back into your network: Plug your RTP300's WAN port into a NetGear LAN port.

You should now be able to configure the RTP300 from a web browser on your NetGear's network by using http://x.x.x.x:8080 where x.x.x.x is the IP address of your RTP300.

The RTP300 should be able to get through the NetGear to Vonage and be a perfectly fine Vonage device. If not, see the Vonage home page for a list of ports you may need to forward (unlikely, since most current Vonage units do not need forwarded ports) or open (if the NetGear closes ports on you).

If you want to hook computers up to the RTP300, you most certainly can. However, they will be on a different network, behind an additional NAT (Network Address Translation) gateway from the computers connected to the NetGear. So you probably will have major issues getting those computers to talk to each other. Better to have all your PCs on one network.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Everything Nate just said is great advice, and right on. One caveat though, if your Netgear router is unable to provide a reasonable level of true QoS capability, then you're likely to see problems with your Vonage service when your internet activity is generating significant traffic levels.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

DallasFlier wrote:
One caveat though, if your Netgear router is unable to provide a reasonable level of true QoS capability, then you're likely to see problems with your Vonage service when your internet activity is generating significant traffic levels.


Good point. If the NetGear can't do any QoS, then the other option is to put the RTP300 out front, then plug the NetGear into it and put ALL PC clients (wired and wireless) on the NetGear. That way, all computers are on the same network.

But, oy, having all of your websurfing done through double-NAT. Uggggggly. Workable, but not pretty. If the NetGear can't handle good QoS, I'd pick up a WRT54GL and load up HyperWRT Tofu, which DOES have good QoS.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Power up the RTP300 with nothing attached. Temporarily plug a computer into the RTP300. Turn off its firewall, QoS, and everything else you can find except the basics. Set it to "automatically get IP from server" or set it's client IP to a fixed IP outside the DHCP range of your NetGear but on the same subnet. Turn ON remote administration.

I do NOT see the QoS selection anywhere. Can you elaborate where I can turn it on or off?

Should I also turn off "DHCS" in the RTP300?

OK, here's the part I don't understand, under "Setup/Basic Setup" there is a dropdown combo box that has "obtain an IP automatically", the 2 other selections are "PPPoe", "Static IP".
Below that, the entry "Local IP address:" is default to 192.168.15.1
The Netgear LAN defaults to 192.168.0.1, so even If I select "obtain an IP automatically", it seems the Netgear will never really even "sees" the RTP300, since its outside its own private network. I will try setting RTP300 to static IP of 192.168.0.55 and then reserve that IP in the Netgear outside the DHCP range in the Netgear and see what happens. Eek

Of course, I plug any PC into the Netgear and use the RTP300 just as the Vonage device.

The main stumbling block I have seen after putting the RTP after the Netgear router ( as just a client ), is that the Netgear doesn't
even "see" the RTP300 as a client! I look at the "Attached devices" tab in the Netgear admin and all it shows is the computer directly attached. No dial tone either.

I see others have given up on trying the keep their Netgear wireless WGT624v2, since it has these problems seeing the RTP300. I'd hate to be forced to "upgrade" to a more expensive wireless router just because of Vonage.

Could there be a problem with the MAC addresses? I see a setting on the RTP300 under the Access Restrictions tab that is "Block Anoymous Internet Requests" and "Filter Multicasts". Both of these are enabled. Is that ok?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I've had a similar situation setting up my network and hopefully
have an answer for you. I have a Netgear WGR614 and first had it
set up as my primary router. Its DHCP server started getting flaky
on me and wasn't issuing IPs to my wireless laptop. To work
around this problem I decided to put my RTP300 as the primary
router in my network and turned my wireless router into a wireless
access point. This would accomplish two goals for me. 1) Use
the RTP300's DHCP server to work around my 614's problems and
2) make use of the RTP300's QoS features.

So first, I connected my cable modem to the RTP300 and my
desktop to an open LAN port of the RTP300. Next, I performed a
factory reset using the small recessed button on the back of the
router. Then I made sure I could log into the primary (RTP300) via
the web interface.

So next you'll have to turn your wireless router into a simple
wireless access point. DSL reports has a great FAQ on how to
accomplish this: Wireless Access Point FAQ

The FAQ is right on and the steps are pretty clear. The main steps
are:
1. Connect the wireless router to the RTP300. Connect an
ethernet cable to an open LAN port on the RTP300 and to
an open LAN port on the wireless router.
2. Log into the wireless router and:
a. Turn off the DHCP server.
b. Assign an IP adderss to the WR outside of the DHCP
range on the RTP but within the subnet of the RTP.

Once I had everything configured, I rebooted all my devices "from
the outside in". 1) Cable modem, 2) RTP300, 3) WGR614. Next,
I rebooted both my wired desktop and wireless laptop and
everything works very well. My network has been up and running
without problems ever since. I can log into my RTP300's admin
pages, my WGR614's admin pages, and share files and printers.

If you have any questions about how to proceed, please let me know.
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NorthIL wrote:
Power up the RTP300 with nothing attached. Temporarily plug a computer into the RTP300. Turn off its firewall, QoS, and everything else you can find except the basics. Set it to "automatically get IP from server" or set it's client IP to a fixed IP outside the DHCP range of your NetGear but on the same subnet. Turn ON remote administration.

I do NOT see the QoS selection anywhere. Can you elaborate where I can turn it on or off?


QoS should be under "Applications and Gaming".


NorthIL wrote:
Should I also turn off "DHCS" in the RTP300?


You mean DHCP? No, I wouldn't, assuming you just want the RTP300 to be a Vonage device, it'll make it a bit easier to administer it if you leave it on, since it'll issue an IP address to any PC plugged into ot.

NorthIL wrote:
OK, here's the part I don't understand, under "Setup/Basic Setup" there is a dropdown combo box that has "obtain an IP automatically", the 2 other selections are "PPPoe", "Static IP".Below that, the entry "Local IP address:" is default to 192.168.15.1 The Netgear LAN defaults to 192.168.0.1, so even If I select "obtain an IP automatically", it seems the Netgear will never really even "sees" the RTP300, since its outside its own private network. I will try setting RTP300 to static IP of 192.168.0.55 and then reserve that IP in the Netgear outside the DHCP range in the Netgear and see what happens. Eek

Of course, I plug any PC into the Netgear and use the RTP300 just as the Vonage device.

The main stumbling block I have seen after putting the RTP after the Netgear router ( as just a client ), is that the Netgear doesn't
even "see" the RTP300 as a client! I look at the "Attached devices" tab in the Netgear admin and all it shows is the computer directly attached. No dial tone either.


The RTP300 should be set to "obtain IP automatically", or set up with an IP address that is in the same range as your PC gets when connected to the NetGear.

When you have two routers, you will have two networks. If the NetGear is first, the RTP300 will be a CLIENT of the NetGear's network, and a SERVER of its own. The RTP300 will, in essence, have a TCP/IP address on the WAN port that is part of the NetGear's network, then TCP/IP addresses on its LAN ports that are its OWN network.

The NetGear will probably not "see" the RTP300 if you don't allow the NetGear to assign it an IP address. Most of the "attached devices" screens on consumer routers show the DHCP lease table, and is only populated when a device asks for an IP address.

NorthIL wrote:

Could there be a problem with the MAC addresses? I see a setting on the RTP300 under the Access Restrictions tab that is "Block Anoymous Internet Requests" and "Filter Multicasts". Both of these are enabled. Is that ok?


If you intend to use your RTP300 purely as a Vonage device, and it's already behind a firewall, I'd turn those off and allow the device to open itself up more on your internal LAN.

Here's your big challenge:

You want all of your computers, wired and wireless, on one network, correct?

If so, all of your computers will have to be on your NetGear unit, or you will have to combine networks between your NetGear and your RTP300.

So, here are your options:

1. Put the RTP300 out front. Turn on its firewall, and whatever else you can find. Place the NetGear in its DMZ so the NetGear has full access to the Internet. Plug the NetGear into a port on the RTP300, and plug ALL of your computers into the NetGear.

Advantage: Simple. The RTP300 has Vonage access. All computers on one LAN internally.

Disadvantage: All computers wanting to access the Internet have to go through BOTH routers. Performance may be affected, and VPN access even more so. But it might work.

2. Put the RTP300 out front, plug the NetGear AND your wired PC's into it. Use the NetGear as a wireless access point only.

Advantage: As simple as 1, and all your wired clients get single-NAT access to the Internet (better performance, better VPN)

Disadvantage: Wired and Wireless will be on different local networks, unless your NetGear can become a simple access point.

3. Put the NetGear out front, plug the RTP300 and all your computers into it. RTP300 gets set up with "obtain address automatically" (at first, you can play with fixed IP later).

Advantage: simplest of all. All computers are on same network, and have single-NAT access.

Disadvantage: It doesn't appear to be working. But I'd try it with automatic IP on the RTP300 first, and don't mess with fixed IP yet.

4. BEST:
(A) Put the RTP300 out front. Disable DHCP on the NetGear, and plug a LAN port from the RTP300 into a LAN port on the NetGear, turning the NetGear into a simple switch and access point. *OR*

(B) Set the NetGear up for transparent routing (where it forwards DHCP requests and everything else to the RTP300) and plug a LAN port from the RTP300 into the WAN port of the NetGear. Plug all pc's into either the RTP300 or the NetGear - doesn't matter now.

Advantage: You now only have one network, bridged between two routers. VERY simple network. Only one range of IP addresses. The NetGear isn't even ASSIGNED a network address, since it's not doing any kind of NAT, it's only routing packets.

Disadvantage: I don't know enough about your NetGear to know if it will support either of those scenarios. Worth a try, though. You may need a crossover cable for the "4A" solution.

There are all of your options. If I was there, I'd play with them and see which one worked.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Well, I think darin_n actually hit it. I do have everything working as he described, i have a static IP for the Netgear (192.168.15.2 ) and set the Linksys DHCP range from 192.168.15.50-100.

I was somewhat surprised at what I thought was a mistake in his post, where he said :

"1. Connect the wireless router to the RTP300. Connect an
ethernet cable to an open LAN port on the RTP300 and to
an open LAN port on the wireless router. "

With the Linksys in front, and the Netgear behind, I was always plugging the CAT5 from a LAN port in the Linksys into the WLAN port in the Netgear, which is how i THOUGHT it was supposed to be. I was amazed to find that just plugging into a LAN port on the Netgear wouldn't work, but it did!

Amazingly, everything is working together now. The Netgear is simply an Wireless Access Point in the network, which is fine.

But just one drawback: I still cant get to the Netgear Admin screen; from a browser going to 192.168.15.2 I wonder why?

Thanks also to you, NateHoy. I learned alot from your last post, and will experiment with the crossover cable later, but right now, its stable and all in one network, so I will leave it.

Thanks for everyone for you help.
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NorthIL wrote:

Thanks also to you, NateHoy. I learned alot from your last post, and will experiment with the crossover cable later, but right now, its stable and all in one network, so I will leave it.


If it works now, I wouldn't bother switching to a crossover. Obviously, one or the other of the devices has auto-crossover so you don't need to go to the trouble and expense.

Glad the LAN-LAN connection worked. It's a lot simpler than any of the junk I laid out for you. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

NorthIL, make sure you set the Netgear's LAN IP to be 192.168.15.2, so that clients on the LAN can get to it. Since you're not using the WAN port, just set the netgear's WAN IP to be something completely out of the way, like 10.0.0.1

Also, it's critically important that the DHCP server be disabled on the Netgear, but you've probably got that already.
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