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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Wouldn't be 3rd party firmware -- I installed the Linksys versions.
No DMZ but quite a few port forwards on the WRT54G.
I suppose I could disable them and give it a try.

I don't think it is a bad router, been working fine until I installed the WRTP as one of the WRT54G's devices. Don't think it is the WRTP since it is at the end of the link (the only think I'm using it for is the Voip port).
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

tkendall wrote:
When ever I'm on a call I can't get out on the WAN to ping, resolve names or anything. As soon as I hang up I'm okay.

I've also tried adjusting my Voip bandwidth to no avail.


OK, different theory (sorry). You may have some form of misrouting, and not a lack of bandwidth.

There are a few things I want you to try:

1. If there are ANY ports forwarded, triggered, etc to your WRTP54G, take them out. You don't need to forward ANYTHING to the WRTP54G. At all.

2. If your WRTP54G is in the DMZ, take it out. See #1.

If that doesn't work...

While you are on the Vonage line, and the Internet is not working, try a TRACERT to www.yahoo.com and 68.142.197.83 (which is one of the IP addresses of www.yahoo.com). You should see your WRT54G IP address (192.168.1.1, usually) as the first address, then starting to go out to your ISP.

Do the same when you are NOT on your Vonage line.

IF:

- TRACERT works with Vonage, and looks same as without Vonage, then you don't appear to have a routing problem.

- TRACERT works without Vonage, does not work AT ALL with, then something is going on to completely disrupt your connection.

- TRACERT works without Vonage, works on IP address with Vonage, does not work on URL with Vonage, then something is happening to DNS.

It almost looks like the Vonage router, when enabled, is telling the WRT54G that "when I'm active, you talk ONLY to ME, capische?" That could mean that everything is being forwarded to the Vonage router, or that Vonage is chewing all the bandwidth. Now that we seem to have eliminated the bandwidth all being eaten up (which is the most common) we can look at routing setup.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The Third party firmware is usually better than the stock stuff, but I don't think that's your problem.

tkendall wrote:

No DMZ but quite a few port forwards on the WRT54G.
I suppose I could disable them and give it a try.


What ports do you have forwarded, and to whom? Is port triggering set on for any ports?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

It seems as though the connection is getting interrupted or so slowed down that it times out.

TRACERT works fine without a call.
TRACERT with a call is unable to resolve www.yahoo.com

What's interesting though is TRACERT to the IP address yields
the first jump outside of my LAN to the WAN and then the request times out trying to hop any further:

tracert 68.142.226.45

Tracing route to p14.www.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.226.45]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.2.1
2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
3 * 12 ms * fl-71-2-60-1.dyn.sprint-hsd.net [71.2.60.1]
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 * * * Request timed out.

This makes me think that it is just really, really slow, has an internet connection but it is really slow (????).

As for the ports that are forward, nothing is forwarded to the WRTP54G they are all forwarded to various machines I have running database, license servers and remote desktops.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

tkendall wrote:
It seems as though the connection is getting interrupted or so slowed down that it times out.

TRACERT works fine without a call.
TRACERT with a call is unable to resolve www.yahoo.com

What's interesting though is TRACERT to the IP address yields
the first jump outside of my LAN to the WAN and then the request times out trying to hop any further:

tracert 68.142.226.45

Tracing route to p14.www.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.226.45]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.2.1
2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
3 * 12 ms * fl-71-2-60-1.dyn.sprint-hsd.net [71.2.60.1]
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 * * * Request timed out.

This makes me think that it is just really, really slow, has an internet connection but it is really slow (????).

As for the ports that are forward, nothing is forwarded to the WRTP54G they are all forwarded to various machines I have running database, license servers and remote desktops.


What is 192.168.2.1? You should be going from your computer to the WRT54G (192.168.1.1 by default) to the Internet. Instead, you appear to have TWO routers between you and the Internet. 192.168.2.1 -? 192.168.1.1. Am I missing something here?

Please post the first few lines of the response to the TRACERT without Vonage active. Does it also start with 192.168.2.1 then 192.168.1.1?

EDIT: As an example, here are the first few lines of a tracert from my machine:

Tracing route to www.yahoo.akadns.net [216.109.118.78]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 8 ms 10 ms 9 ms gw-66-63.suscom-maine.net.. etc...

If you are plugged into the router's LAN port and the router is plugged into the Cable Modem, then you should not see any extra 192.168.x.x IP addresses.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Here's my setup:

WAN
-->DSL Modem/Router (192.168.1.1)
|--> WRT54G (192.168.2.1)
|--> (192.168.2.2) WRTP54G (192.168.3.1)
| |--> Phone
| |--> all other ports empty (no devices)
|--> (192.168.2.n)
|--> (192.168.2.n)
|--> (switch) (192.168.2.0 devices)
|--> (switch) (192.168.2.0 devices)
|--> wireless network

That is what is so strange. If the WRTP54G was in between my computer and the internet it would be one thing, but it's not. It's out there by itself at the end of the route.

Here's the tracert snippet you requested.

tracert www.yahoo.com

Tracing route to www.yahoo.akadns.net [68.142.226.45]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.2.1
2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
3 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms fl-71-2-60-1.dyn.sprint-hsd.net [71.2.60.1]
4 33 ms 32 ms 33 ms crflwnpk01 [207.30.158.49]
5 32 ms 34 ms 32 ms icrwnpk1 [207.30.23.29]
6 37 ms 35 ms 34 ms sl-gw8-orl-6-0.sprintlink.net [144.223.65.89]

Thanks for your help!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

OK. That's what I missed - the DSL modem with the built-in router. How good is that router? Can you plug the Vonage adapter and a computer in to it directly and try again, just to isolate the WRT54G as the cause?

Does the first router have any firewall capabilities, port forwards, or ANYTHING set up?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The DSL modem is not doing any port forwarding or much of anything.

I'll set it up so the WRTP54G is connected directly to the DSL Modem/Router eliminating the WRTP and see what happens.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

It Works! Without the WRT54G in between Cry

That's okay though. I originally had it that way but the internet performance was so bad I put the WRT54G back into the mix. However it appears with the latest (non-stone age) firmware on the WRTP54G that the performance problem was solved.

Don't know what's up with my WRT54G but I'm not going to worry about it now.

Thanks again for all your help.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

tkendall wrote:
It Works! Without the WRT54G in between Cry

That's okay though. I originally had it that way but the internet performance was so bad I put the WRT54G back into the mix. However it appears with the latest (non-stone age) firmware on the WRTP54G that the performance problem was solved.

Don't know what's up with my WRT54G but I'm not going to worry about it now.

Thanks again for all your help.


Yikes!

OK, well, if you want the WRT54G to work, you might try one of the aftermarket firmwares (if someone gets back to you on QoS wireless support on your posts on linksysinfo), since I assume you WILL want Voip support someday. Wink

Glad at least the firmware upgrade to the Vonage unit helped. Odd that the WRT54G's firmware has such a seemingly obvious defect.

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