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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:40 pm    Post subject: Pause downloads during calls Reply with quote Back to top

This might not be possible, and it may well be an unreasonable thing to be trying to accomplish, but I am wondering if anyone has found a way (or can think of a way) to slow or pause downloads on a PC during a Vonage phone call.

I have the Motorola adapter which I do not use as a router. It is connected to a Linksys WRT54G router. I download from Usenet using the NewsLeecher application. When it is downloading at full speeds, the sound on Vonage calls are delayed and/or choppy.

I have tried adjusting the QoS settings on the router to no avail. It doesn't seem to place the adapter at a high enough priority for it to get all the bandwidth it needs (latency is an issue as well).

So I'm basically wondering if anyone knows of a way for my PC to find out when a call is in progress, so that it can initiate some sort of flow control for the duration of the call. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

you aren't doing the qos correctly. you should be able to max out your connection and not affect the phone at all, even if you aren't on it when the conversation begins.
fully explain your network setup and how you set up the qos. also what firmware version do you have on the wrt?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Pause downloads during calls Reply with quote Back to top

bl00d wrote:

I have the Motorola adapter which I do not use as a router. It is connected to a Linksys WRT54G router. I download from Usenet using the NewsLeecher application. When it is downloading at full speeds, the sound on Vonage calls are delayed and/or choppy.

I have tried adjusting the QoS settings on the router to no avail. It doesn't seem to place the adapter at a high enough priority for it to get all the bandwidth it needs (latency is an issue as well).

So I'm basically wondering if anyone knows of a way for my PC to find out when a call is in progress, so that it can initiate some sort of flow control for the duration of the call. Any advice is greatly appreciated.


Sounds like your QoS is not working. What hardware version of WRT54G do you have, and what firmware version are you running?

If you have a V4 or earlier unit, you may want to consider third party firmware. www.linksysinfo.com is a great resource for the Linksys routers.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:58 pm    Post subject: More info Reply with quote Back to top

The router is ver. 2. I just installed the latest stable HyperWRT firmware on it and tried again, still experiencing the same problem.

I have it configured so that port 4 has high priority, and the rest are set to low priority with flow control enabled. The Vonage adapter is connected to port 4. My understanding is that this should provide the adapter with unfettered access to whatever bandwidth it needs without interference from other connections. I have also tried configuring it using MAC addresses and had no luck with that either.

Also, it should be noted that I am absolutely maxing out the connection on the computer that does the downloading. NewsLeecher runs 10 simultaneous connections to GigaNews when it is downloading. I can lower that number, which does alleviate the problem to a slight extent, but at a cost to the overall speeds of my downloads (I would like to avoid this). But even with only one connection going, there is still noticeable quality loss on the phone calls.

Do I have something set up incorrectly, or is this router just not capable of good enough QoS control for what I'm trying to do?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

QoS attempts to prioritize traffic, but does not necessarily know how much your Voip call needs for good quality. It is looking at all the work it has to do to keep this huge transfer going and tries to do its best with this (seemingly) docile 90KBps over on the other side.
The Voip call is sort of asynchronous as well, so it takes a little while to pry some of the bandwidth away from the transfer to support a sudden burst on voice codec activity.
The bottom line is that you won't really get industrial strength QoS on consumer equipment. If you call Linksys, they'll tell you to throttle your download to give the router a chance.

My $.02.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I'm also running a WRT54G v2, with the Vonage adapter behind it, and HyperWRT/tofu10 firmware. I didn't use the port priority on QoS, but rather the Device Priority, by MAC address. I set the Vonage adapter's MAC address to "Highest" and have set no other QoS priorities at all, except for "Enable" upstream bandwidth QoS and set it to Auto. Since Device Priority gives 4 steps vs 2 for Port Priority, this may make a difference for you, or it may not - but worth a try.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

DallasFlier wrote:
I'm also running a WRT54G v2, with the Vonage adapter behind it, and HyperWRT/tofu10 firmware. I didn't use the port priority on QoS, but rather the Device Priority, by MAC address. I set the Vonage adapter's MAC address to "Highest" and have set no other QoS priorities at all, except for "Enable" upstream bandwidth QoS and set it to Auto. Since Device Priority gives 4 steps vs 2 for Port Priority, this may make a difference for you, or it may not - but worth a try.


I had trouble with "Auto", myself. It kept coming up with really, really high numbers for my upload, like 2,000kbps, where my real upload is clamped at 256k. I manually set it to 256K and QoS started working much better for me. I thought QoS was broken until I took the "Auto" setting off and went manual. But your mileage obviously varies on that point.

As to port versus device priority, yup, both work. I tried out both, but since I'll always keep the Vonage router on Port 4, port priority was easier for the lazy people like me. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: More info Reply with quote Back to top

bl00d wrote:
The router is ver. 2. I just installed the latest stable HyperWRT firmware on it and tried again, still experiencing the same problem.

I have it configured so that port 4 has high priority, and the rest are set to low priority with flow control enabled. The Vonage adapter is connected to port 4. My understanding is that this should provide the adapter with unfettered access to whatever bandwidth it needs without interference from other connections. I have also tried configuring it using MAC addresses and had no luck with that either.

Also, it should be noted that I am absolutely maxing out the connection on the computer that does the downloading. NewsLeecher runs 10 simultaneous connections to GigaNews when it is downloading. I can lower that number, which does alleviate the problem to a slight extent, but at a cost to the overall speeds of my downloads (I would like to avoid this). But even with only one connection going, there is still noticeable quality loss on the phone calls.

Do I have something set up incorrectly, or is this router just not capable of good enough QoS control for what I'm trying to do?


I'd check your upload bandwidth setting in QoS. Set it to your real upload speed, and take it off automatic. That might help a bit.

Obviously, QoS takes a little time to react. Do the calls improve quality at all after the first few seconds?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I played a lot with QOS while getting my IPCOP solution to work. Now you might not like this (and this is experience gained from IPCOP not the Linksys box) but my experience is that you absolutely MUST set your upload and download rates to 90% of what they really are. It won't work anywhere near correctly otherwise. Its all to do with where packets end up queing I think. You need the QOS enabled device to be the only place where queing occurs and thats what the 90% guarantees. Oh and don't try 91 or 92 or 95%... I tried that and it very quickly messes things up. Go for 90% see if that helps.

Oh and if all else fails, find an old PC and do this:

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With this you can configure pretty much anything from min and max speed right down to the maximum wait time in milliseconds for specific protocols, ports or ip addresses!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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I tried out both, but since I'll always keep the Vonage router on Port 4, port priority was easier for the lazy people like me. Wink

You mean as opposed to the Vonage router always having the same MAC address? <grin> (Sorry, couldn't resist...) Actually, as I think about it - since you tried out both, you already have the MAC address typed into the Device Priority field - so using port priority allows you to be lazy how?? lol

Actually, as I mentioned to the OP, the selections seem to be "finer grained" within device priority, for some reason. Not sure why, and not sure if it makes any difference, but that's why I decided to use Device Priority, because I could set it not just to "High" but to "Highest" that way. <shrug>

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