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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

okay I will test the blue-white pair that comes OUT of the RJ-31X jack from the alarm system and see what voltage the alarm system is putting out. This wire that comes OUT of the alarm system goes to the TELCO box outside and then is spliced into the other 4 wires that feed the 4 differenet phone jacks in my house.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:43 am    Post subject: Hard Wiring Reply with quote Back to top

NextAlarm.com might be about to help you reactive your alarm system.
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Okay here are my results, the Vonage phone adapter puts out 50 VDC

My GE Concord Ultra alarm panel ALONE puts out 10 VDC

When the Vonage adapter is connected to the alarm panel, the output voltage from the alarm panel is still about 50 VDC going to all of the phone jacks in my house.

So the alarm panel must be able to sense if a phone connection is putting out voltage on the line, if it IS NOT, then the alarm panel puts out it's own 10 VDC so you can still use inside phones to access the alarm panel, otherwise, if the alarm panel senses telephone line voltage coming into it, then it WILL NOT put out any of it's own voltage and instead just use the voltage of the telephone connection itself (in this case the Vonage adapter putting out 50 VDC)

So anyhow, I got it all hooked up and it's working like a charm!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

It certainly is. Sorry I've been out of the loop for awhile; I missed the fact that the thread had been moved to another forum.

When you said that it's working like a charm, I assume that you're talking about the Vonage phones. Have you also checked communication between the alarm panel and your monitoring service? Some alarm systems have problems with communicating using a Voip phone. Check it out; let us know how it works.

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I don't have a central station yet and I am waiting to talk to NextAlarm, but they are not in right now on the weekends..

hey do you guys know, can you have nextalarm setup up to just call your cell phone on an alarm and NOT call the police? because the police in my town charge you like $35 for every call they get to come to your house, and knowing my GF, she will be setting off false alarms all the time, lol!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I don't know, but I would think that Next Alarm would discuss procedures with you and accept your instructions for how they will respond when they get an alarm. If they won't do that, I don't think I'd hire them as my alarm service.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The wiring situation you describe is common. The wire comes directly to the alarm panel and then is distributed to the whole house. There are 2 reasons for this. One the alarm itself will power the line and use it in the event of a phone outage. Allowing you to still use those functions available via the handsets. The other and more prominent reason is if someone were to set off the alarm the alarm usually calls a monitoring station or a user. If the would be burglar were to simply pick up the phone it would disable the ability for the alarm to dial out and or the alarm company to return the call, so for that reason when an alarm is trigger it disables the whole house phone system and only enables it's direct communication to the monitoring station.

I have just gotten my number ported over so I will be tackling this same problem in the next evening or two. My guess is the best method for hook up is to connect the router to the input side of the alarm and leave the rest of the house the same. Of course after you disconnected the outside service.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

squale wrote:
I don't have a central station yet and I am waiting to talk to NextAlarm, but they are not in right now on the weekends..

hey do you guys know, can you have nextalarm setup up to just call your cell phone on an alarm and NOT call the police? because the police in my town charge you like $35 for every call they get to come to your house, and knowing my GF, she will be setting off false alarms all the time, lol!


I can only speak for NextAlarm, but I'm pretty sure any alarm company does this. So far I haven't had a real alarm, but I had a couple of false alarms. If you have a false alarm, you just punch in your code + off which will send an "authorized alarm cancel" signal to NextAlarm. Shortly after that, NextAlarm will call the house or whatever the main number on file is, to confirm that the person canceling the alarm is indeed authorized by verifying their name and password you have on file with NextAlarm. As long as your GF is an authorized user and she knows the password, the police won't be dispatched. NextAlarm will dispatch the police, though if they can't get a hold of anybody to confirm the authorized cancel.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You people and your alarm systems. If a crook is smart (very few are, but there are some), they'd snip the phone line. The next thing they'd do is break into the alarm box and cut AC and bettery power. The alarm is useless.

Secondly, it seems like there was only one person on this thread that actually knew something. He went on saying that the phone like comes in from the demarc (the phone box on the house) and into the alarm box. The rest of the CPE (the phones, modems, etc) are connected to the alarm box. This prevents the crook from disrupting alarm calling functions only if he disrupts the phones by picking them up and keeping it off hook, this preventing calls. If he cuts the phone line outside, the alarm i useless if it doesn't flash and make noise.

What you need to do is connect the FXS port of the phone adapter to the phone line input of the alarm and hope it works with Vonage.

This is where Voip will never replace POTS lines. All the Vonage nazi's seem to forget the benefit of a POTS line. It's a hell of a lot more reliable than any Voip service and it still works if the power dies. For modems in set top boxes and alarm systems, etc, get a bare bones plan from your POTS line provider. Vonage seems to brainwash people thinking it's a POTS line substitute when it's not. It's great for long distance, but most of the useful features of Voip is limited because Vonage doesn't want people using IP phones.

So, in short, DON'T DUMP YOUR GOOD OLD POTS LINE AND THEN SCRATCH YOUR HEAD AS TO WHY Vonage WON'T WORK WITH YOUR ALARM SYSTEM! Get a bare bones plan from the local telco.
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