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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:13 am    Post subject: Splitting the line out of a PAP2 Reply with quote Back to top

In my continued troubleshooting of my on-way issue, I traced back the changes that I made to my setup. I listed two things:

1. put a splitter out of the pap2 so I could have one wired phone and one cordless

2. replaced my wrt54g with a dlink dgl-4300

I just stumbled onto this: http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/review,52381~expanded=1~mode=full~days=9999

Basically, it says that by splitting the line coming out of the pap2, you cut the amperage in half and that would cause issues.

Anyone know if there is any validity to this?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: Splitting the line out of a PAP2 Reply with quote Back to top

burgeke wrote:
In my continued troubleshooting of my on-way issue, I traced back the changes that I made to my setup. I listed two things:

1. put a splitter out of the pap2 so I could have one wired phone and one cordless

2. replaced my wrt54g with a dlink dgl-4300

I just stumbled onto this: http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/review,52381~expanded=1~mode=full~days=9999

Basically, it says that by splitting the line coming out of the pap2, you cut the amperage in half and that would cause issues.

Anyone know if there is any validity to this?

Thanks


I can tell you that I'm running a WRTP54G (which is a router and Vonage adapter smooshed into a single unit). In my case, I'm not only running a splitter, but the "second" half of the splitter is connected to a wall jack, and I have two more telephones connected to Vonage throughout the house, for a total of three phones, over a couple hundred feet of copper AND a patch cord where an old jack died. I have had absolutely no problems whatsoever with this setup.

((((for those of you reading along and tempted to use house wiring, allow me to insert a long-winded caution. First, Vonage no doubt frowns upon this. Second, here is why: MAKE SURE THE CONNECTION FROM THE TELEPHONE COMPANY IS COMPLETELY SEVERED before attempting this. If the POTS line is left connected, it introduces lots of unwelcome voltage in the line, and may FRY your Vonage adapter, causing lost connections, angst, tears, recriminations, abdominal pain, swelling, and premature death. If your voltage spike persists for more than four hours, call a doctor. If you're not comfy doing this, do not even think about attempting to use your house wiring. In my case, I went out and physically cut the wires from Telco. Most of you will have more modern boxes that have a modular jack that can simply be pulled - my external wiring is a LOT older than that. I think the instructions were in Olde English or Latin. (grin)))))

So, yes, the splitter will reduce signal to each phone. Your friend is right in that regard. But your PAP2 should have PLENTY of amperage to handle two telephones. Twenty phones, not so much, but two should be easily accommodated.

To be sure, get the REN (Ringer Equivalent Number) off each phone, then make sure the total is lower than the REN of your PAP2. I think you'll find that it's MUCH lower, and you'll be fine.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Splitting the line out of a PAP2 Reply with quote Back to top

burgeke wrote:
Basically, it says that by splitting the line coming out of the pap2, you cut the amperage in half and that would cause issues.

Anyone know if there is any validity to this?


Here's an idea... You could try removing the splitter and see if it helps.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

That's an excellent idea! Smile

Actually I did that -- just not enough time yet to see if it helps.

Thanks a ton (both of you!).
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

burgeke wrote:
That's an excellent idea! Smile

Actually I did that -- just not enough time yet to see if it helps.

Thanks a ton (both of you!).


I'd also look at change #2. When you changed out routers, did you forward all the ports? Have you run www.testmyvoip.com on the new router? Stuff like that...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah I did do some heavy troubleshooting on that one. To be honest, there is a good deal of jitter on my line. I have been back and forth with the cable co but really getting no where. I see the times fluctuate on both of the hops to get out of ptd.net and onto mci. But since SECTV resells Prolog, its like a bounce back and forth.

The only reason why I continue to troubleshoot other aspects is that my connection has always been like this but I never had on-way problems until last week (when I made those two changes). I also tried putting the WRT54G back in and the problem persists.

My testyourvoip report is below (cut and paste from another thread) I had to use San Jose because the internet weather for Boston was horrible when I ran the test.

Oh one last thing, I put the PAP2 in the DMZ to eliminate the ports etc. Its very intermittent as well which makes it harder to troubleshoot.


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MOS Analysis from You TO San Jose

Media Quality MOS 4.3 / 5.0
(Best with G.711 is 4.4)



Degradation Sources
Codec 0.58 82.6%
Latency 0.00 0.0%
Packet Discards 0.09 12.9%
Packet Loss 0.03 4.3%

Codec G.711 (PCM at 64kbps,
20ms RTP payload,
80kbps IP BW)
Round-Trip
Latency 158 ms
Packet Discards 0.4%
Packet Loss 0.1%
Loss Periods Min: 20 ms
Avg: 20 ms
Max: 20 ms
Random Loss

Jitter Min: 0 ms
Avg: 3 ms
Max: 48 ms

Signaling Quality Post-Dial Delay 150 ms
Call Setup Time 160 ms
Media Delay 320 ms
MOS Analysis FROM San Jose To You

Media Quality MOS 4.4 / 5.0
(Best with G.711 is 4.4)



Degradation Sources
Codec 0.57 96.8%
Latency 0.00 0.0%
Packet Discards 0.02 3.2%
Packet Loss 0.00 0.0%

Codec G.711 (PCM at 64kbps,
20ms RTP payload,
80kbps IP BW)
Round-Trip
Latency 158 ms
Packet Discards 0.1%
Packet Loss 0.0%
Loss Periods Min: 20 ms
Avg: 20 ms
Max: 20 ms
Random Loss

Jitter Min: 0 ms
Avg: 0 ms
Max: 20 ms

Signaling Quality Post-Pickup Delay 142 ms
Call Setup Time 130 ms
Media Delay 172 ms
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