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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I guess cable companys will start selling TV.s next. I just want a plain TV...sorry if you want cable you're gonna have to buy this $5000 HD LCD BFE freaking TV from me.
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Trust me. You have the upper hand. The cable companies and the phone companies are regulated. All you have to do is file a formal complaint the first time they say anything to you. In most states filing a formal complaint with the state's public service commission gives the telcos fits. They are required to respond. I was told this method by a friend who worked for GTE and is now running his own interconnect business. I had to use this method for Sprint in North Carolina and it worked!

Also, the FCC has set a legal precedent with the case in North Carolina. Again, you have the upper hand. Just call the regional FCC office or file a complaint on the web if you get threatened. The ruling in North Carolina, the example case referred to earlier, said that the telcos cannot limit the advancement of technology (paraphrased).

Is BellSouth doing this? Depends on how crazy they are. I seriously doubt they will because using the methods above with through more than one Voip user will give them fits. Do you really think BellSouth wants all the public service commissions on their case? And those people listen to voters. It is either a rumor or an idle threat. Don't sweat it. But if my cable provider pulls those shenanigans, which I doubt they will, I will be filing complaints with every regulatory agency.

By the way, one of the telcos' complaints is that Voip hasn't fallen under the regulatory agencies' arm yet. When I first got my service I did a lot of investigative work before committing. And I even talked to my state public service commission who highly recommended Voip. They told me that while Voip wasn't yet regulated they thought I had little or no risk moving to it. But, if I had problems they could only voice their complaint and not take legal action yet. But, they do have the ability to put the reigns on the telcos and cable companies.

I am shocked because I had always considered BellSouth a progressive company. I would think that it is only a rumor. I hope a BellSouth leader, executive, or whatever is reading this forum so they can tell their company to squash this rumor. It could be harmful and I doubt it has any validity.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

NateHoy wrote:
vicmatson wrote:

Sorry when I said in my area I didn't mean they service the same areas. You don't have a choice unless you move to another county or State.

I also found it odd that Verizon(Telco) lowered DSL to $15.00 just like SBC/BellSouth did before these contracts that are now in question.


Ah. Sorry, my mistake.

Hmm. At $15 a month, they may be charging little enough to make a case that it would be unreasonable to expect them to give up Voip as long as their Voip rates were competitive.

If they were smart, though, they would bundle unlimited Voip into the mix at $30 a month and made it a no-brainer. No one would touch Vonage/Skype if they did that. They're a telco, for goodness sake, they've already got the facilities for it. Wink

Sorry again, but all the VoIP(Verizon,Comcast,Cox, and Melinium) are $30.00 alone without the broadband cost.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I can assure you that the cable and telcos hope the independents, of which Vonage is the largest, will go away. The telcos are pulling out the crying towels because the cash cow just became road kill. The cable companies see extra profit in the works if they can make the service exclusive. Neither will happen. The precedent is set and the new cow is out of the barn.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

galion wrote:
Trust me. You have the upper hand. The cable companies and the phone companies are regulated. All you have to do is file a formal complaint the first time they say anything to you. In most states filing a formal complaint with the state's public service commission gives the telcos fits. They are required to respond. I was told this method by a friend who worked for GTE and is now running his own interconnect business. I had to use this method for Sprint in North Carolina and it worked!

Also, the FCC has set a legal precedent with the case in North Carolina. Again, you have the upper hand. Just call the regional FCC office or file a complaint on the web if you get threatened. The ruling in North Carolina, the example case referred to earlier, said that the telcos cannot limit the advancement of technology (paraphrased).

Is BellSouth doing this? Depends on how crazy they are. I seriously doubt they will because using the methods above with through more than one Voip user will give them fits. Do you really think BellSouth wants all the public service commissions on their case? And those people listen to voters. It is either a rumor or an idle threat. Don't sweat it. But if my cable provider pulls those shenanigans, which I doubt they will, I will be filing complaints with every regulatory agency.

By the way, one of the telcos' complaints is that Voip hasn't fallen under the regulatory agencies' arm yet. When I first got my service I did a lot of investigative work before committing. And I even talked to my state public service commission who highly recommended Voip. They told me that while Voip wasn't yet regulated they thought I had little or no risk moving to it. But, if I had problems they could only voice their complaint and not take legal action yet. But, they do have the ability to put the reigns on the telcos and cable companies.

I am shocked because I had always considered BellSouth a progressive company. I would think that it is only a rumor. I hope a BellSouth leader, executive, or whatever is reading this forum so they can tell their company to squash this rumor. It could be harmful and I doubt it has any validity.

From what I gather BellSouth already did send notices out to these customers a few days ago. Probably thousands of them. I'm guessing there is going to be a lot of filing going on down there. I have a hard time with BellSouth not having a defense already, the Vonage port block thing got a lot of publicity.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You're right they probably will fold and retract their port blocks if they've put them in place already. I remember when people found out that Comcast was tracking every subscriber's website visits. There was a major revolt and they cracked under the pressure and stopped doing so.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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You're right they probably will fold and retract their port blocks if they've put them in place already. I remember when people found out that Comcast was tracking every subscriber's website visits. There was a major revolt and they cracked under the pressure and stopped doing so.

It's time for a "say what" letter form Vonage.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I think it is time for a 'say what?' letter from our ineffectual friends at the FCC.

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BellSouth Reserves The Right To Port Block
Say That Again Contributed by Mike on Wednesday, October 26th, 2005 @ 04:18PM
from the so-don't-piss-them-off dept.
How quickly things change. For years, US telcos have been claimed that there was no need at all for network neutrality regulations, because they would never (never, ever, we promise!) block usage of their connections. They even pointed out that, if they did start blocking stuff, it would be a publicity nightmare and they'd probably lose customers over it. However, since that time, a few things have changed. High bandwidth apps have become more popular and a few service providers have been able to get away with blocking competitive applications. On top of that, new tools are coming out that will make it easier than ever for service providers to block or simply degrade applications like Voip. So is it any surprise to see Broadband Reports point out that BellSouth refuses to promise network neutrality and reserves the right to block whatever they want to? Of course, this wouldn't be much of a problem if there were real competition in the broadband space, but the same FCC that won't fully mandate network neutrality has determined that a duopoly is enough competition for everyone.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have another great idea for BellSouth, don't let people LNP their number away. After all, it is their number, so why should MCI or Cingular, etc. be able to use it (and don't those compainies expect to use my lines)? Mad Mad Mad

Between this and SBC's idiot king it might be time for Vonage to dress their lawyers up real nice...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The fact that Sprint PCS is doing a deal with Comcast,Cox, and Time Warner to bundle services makes this whole thing intense.

Voip has been getting a free ride in not paying for the data transport(broadband), but there has to be a middle ground.
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