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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Welcome to Florida...
That's one of the reasons we are moving out! The prices are still going up and there doesn't seem to be a slowdown, even with 745 hurricanes this last year it seems.. Wink

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Damaged beachfront property in Naples, FL? Other than the one condo building which was poorly built (who the hell was the architect & engineer who thought styrofoam was an appropriate way to build a wall? drag 'em down the street by their..), there wasn't any real damage to speak of that I've seen thus far. If you're lucky, you can find someone who's frightened of hurricanes and pick up a place (relatively) cheap. Anyone who knows Naples knows there is no such thing as cheap real estate there, but you can hope to pick up something below market value.

As far as the tax thing... I'm in a 30+ year old building...so paying taxes on a "30 year old condo", which totally ignores the fact that the condo's been gutted & rebuilt to my liking & standards (yes, there is Cat 5 wire & satellite TV in the bathroom and kitchen, etc.) The last appraiser didn't even bother to set foot inside, just did the appraisal based on prior sales...of 30-year-old condos which needed to be redone. Smile Add in the Save Our Homes ammendment and homestead exemption, and suddenly paradise becomes (a little bit) more affordable.

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I have worked in many hi-rise buildings installing fire sprinklers. I dont even see it possible that those buildings would be damaged. Besides windows blowing out and a little damage from the rain comming in. Even storm surge isnt a problem. There is plenty of space between the ground level and the 1st living floor.


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Florida is like Little New York LOL

I was in Lake Placid a month ago, it's just like Staten Island.

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Lake Placid like New York? Laff. I was driving from Tampa to a job in Sebring (hour and 1/2 going 90-100 down back roads) a few months ago. There isnt much out in that area. I guess Lake Placid is south of Sebring. I think the locals think frog gigin or visiting wal~mart is the highlight of friday night. Growing area though I suppose.


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I stand corrected.. I spent a lot of time in Sebring.. Which is pretty built up, compared to where I live in upstate New York

Sebring is about 20 minutes from Lake Placid on 27 (?) Lake Placid isn't built up as much but I would compare it to Eastern Long Island.

I would love to move there (Lake Placid).. All the shopping centers (strip malls) are 5 mintues away from the residential neighborhood.

I was impressed with Fort Myers, I flew into that airport... I was expecting a rinky dink hick set up (no offense) but reminded me of a Jersey City

'cept of course when I got out of the terminal I thought I stepped into an oven. LOL Cool
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I have worked in many hi-rise buildings installing fire sprinklers. I dont even see it possible that those buildings would be damaged. Besides windows blowing out and a little damage from the rain comming in. Even storm surge isnt a problem. There is plenty of space between the ground level and the 1st living floor.


Well, you've not worked in enough buildings then... not every high-rise developer has their future residents' interests in mind and some focus solely on the profit they'll make. Case in point:


These are/were $1 million condos. I have yet to hear of any other high-rise on the west coast of FL sustain ANY damage like this during Wilma. It was just stucco on styrofoam, somehow attached to metal studs, then drywall. I don't even see fiberglass (or any) insulation there.

And yes, storm surge is VERY much a problem for high-rise buildings. This next pic is from Hurricane Ivan, taken in the Gulf Shores, AL area, red arrows are pointing to the exact same spot on each photo:


Note that the house next to the condo building is still standing with no visible damage in the picture, the one next to it got washed away....and oh yeah, the 4/5 story condo is now 1 story. Oops. Storm-surge caused this collapse. Washed away the support up front and pulled the rest of the building down with it. I should also note that this particular condo building (Gulf Shores,AL) was less than 18 months old at the time of collapse. Storm surge isn't anything to mess with.

Ultimately, you need to KNOW how the building is built if you're going to ride out a storm in it. Construction photos are VERY helpful to determine how the place was actually built vs. the plans. Even better is being able to see the "bones" of the building for yourself in utility areas & other unfinished areas. When we gutted out unit, I got to see the building's structure up close & personal...and it further reinforced my confidence in my building.. BUT, every structure can only withstand so much. Know its limits and evacuate when there's any doubt.

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I have never seen such crappy construction as the top photo. That must have been built about 10 years ago or something. These days that section would be block and not metal framing with styrofoam. Wonder how they got away with that.

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Good guess... that building was built somewhere between 1985-1990.. I'd have to do some digging to narrow it down...BUT, without checking the building's construction, which most buyers wouldn't have done, you'd get a VERY false sense of security when looking at that building. People see stucco & think it's concrete & solid.

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