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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:53 pm    Post subject: New software for ISPs to block VOIP Reply with quote Back to top

I got this from slashdot.com.
An article from the online edition of IEEE Spectrum says phone companies in France, Germany, Egypt and Saudi Arabia have announced they will block Voip calls on their networks. Using new software from Narus Inc., the carriers can detect data packets belonging to Voip applications and block the calls. Gotta love Ma Bell." From the article: "Narus's software does far more than just frustrate Skype users. It can also diagnose, and react to, denial-of-service attacks and dangerous viruses and worms as they wiggle through a network. It makes possible digital wiretaps, a capability that carriers are required by law to have. However, these positive applications for Narus's software may not be enough to make Internet users warm to its use. 'Protecting its network is a legitimate thing for a carrier to do ... But it's another thing for a Comcast to charge more if I use my own TiVo instead of the personal video recorder they provide, or for Time Warner, which owns CNN, to charge a premium if I want to watch Fox News on my computer.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:22 am    Post subject: Re: New software for ISPs to block VOIP Reply with quote Back to top

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Maybe I should not have said that..., hmm

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Well it doesn't seem like it's just Europe isp. Check this out
From IEEE Spectrum online
U.S. broadband-cable companies are considered information services, which by law gives them the right to block Voip calls. Comcast Corp., in Philadelphia, the country's largest cable company, is already a Narus customer; Thomas declined to say whether Comcast uses the VoIP-blocking capabilities.

In August, a Federal Communications Commission ruling gave phone companies the same latitude for DSL.

Narus's software does far more than just frustrate Skype users. It can also diagnose, and react to, denial-of-service attacks and dangerous viruses and worms as they wiggle through a network. It makes possible digital wiretaps, a capability that carriers are required by law to have.
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A link would be nice, we like links..., links are good...

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

sorry about that

http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/oct05/1846
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

It's not just necessarily blocking, an ISP could decide to deprioritize any and all traffic in and out of your location based upon the MAC addresses you have. Last July, about 15 times a day I would get a call from a customer on comcast, with very slow internet speeds when they hooked up a Vonage device. When the device was removed and network rebooted, the speeds would go up drastically. When myself and other techs here compared notes, it was pretty obvious what was going on. And of course it was no coincidence that they were rolling out their own Voip service. Sometimes a simple MAC clone would solve the problem.

Then there was the 'network issue' that Time Warner was having a few months back. There was some sort of equipment problem that was blocking traffic, but only on ports 5060 and 5061 on certain segments of their network. Pure coincidence right? Don't they also have their own Voip service?

And finally, Cox Cable, in my experience is one of the worst ISP's I have ever seen, in terms of packet loss and latency issues, and refusal to address these issues. In fairness, they have seen to have gotten better as of late, but many a time I was on a 3 way call with a Vonage customer and Cox cable reps who swore that the packet loss and latency that I was measuring over and over, using 3rd party tools, was imaginary and their network was fine, it was obviously a Vonage problem. I asked them how that could be since we had disconnected the Vonage router, and the customer was running these tests on their own now, not just me. They expected me and the customer to believe that 90% plus packet loss was acceptable and 500ms latency times, per hop, over the cox network was normal.

I call this the "Jedi Mind Trick." It goes like this:

Customer: "Hi, I'm having a problem with my connection.I have been testing all day, and I have excessive packet loss and latency times, consequently, my Voip is not working so well. I think there's a problem on your network somewhere."

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Customer: (eyes glazing over) "Well, maybe there isn't a network problem."

ISP "It's clearly a Vonage issue. Their router in your house is slowing down your connection."

Customer (completely entranced now) " Yes, you're right...I'll call Vonage...again...master."

ISP (cookie chewing sounds in background) "Yes, we just ran some tests. Your connection is fine. If you can open a web page, there is nothing wrong with your internet connection, ever."

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

LOL, I'm not sure what's worse -- finding no phone at all, or this one I saw in London last year:



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Sorry if this question has been covered before. I thought that the FCC ruled in favor of Vonage and that ISP's could not block the calls. Is this not true?

After months of waiting Vonage claims my number will port tomorrow. I fear the call from my wife when the phone/internet dies for no reason. I've had the router/adapter ( WRTP54G) connected for months and my connection seems fine. Speedtests from Broadband.com are in the expected range (3-6Mbs for a claimed 6Mbs connection). Should I expect issues once I go live for real. I've only used the temp number for 3 or 4 short outgoing calls.

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