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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:30 am    Post subject: [Rumor mill] Buyers lining up...... Reply with quote Back to top

http://www.gigaom.com/?s=vonage&submit=search

Who knows, but a buyout is probably more likely than an IPO. It's seems clear Vonage is holding back adding new stuff (don't rock the boat mode) because of this. It will be interesting to see if, and how quickly new owners allow the release of new features and hardware (read WiFi phone) that Vonage already has developed.

In any case, I'll be glad when its over.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I think a bit more accurate statement is that they are working on the E911 effort first....

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I can not imagine any company buying into Vonages E911 liabilities. This is a huge issue.

Aside from the current various state attorney general lawsuits (they have not gone away) this new FCC director is no friend of Voip, not like the last one was. He is ready to shut Vonage any any other Voip company down if they do not get this e911 worked out.

Who is going to buy that problem? Your shareholders will fire you.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Trowski wrote:
I think a bit more accurate statement is that they are working on the E911 effort first....


Yes they are working on E911 just like every other Voip provider, but Vonage is the ONLY one that has slowed down adding new features. Most if not all Voip providers I have looked at have cheaper service, ACR, call blocking, and some even have the wifi phones that Vonage is still testing already in production. They even have calling to many other countries as free and unlimited calling as well. All others even allow byod supporting sip.

Seems the only one that new features have been holding up on is on Vonage doesn't seem to affect the others. Vonage used to be the leader but they are not the leader anymore all the other Voip companies are getting caught up and now are passing Vonage and leaving them behind.

Even cell phones are being released with wifi access, so Voange is missing the boat on that one. I just bought a i930 and with that I can put in a sd wifi card and go wifi off my cell phone. So now I get to decide if i buy the 10 buck softphone and only get 500 minutes or just switch to another provider that support sips and have unlimited calling, ACR, call blocking, ect all the things Vonage doesn't have. SO far the only thing I am waiting for is a local exchange on one of the others have only checked a few out and only checked for local exchanges on one of them.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

tzarcone wrote:
Trowski wrote:
I think a bit more accurate statement is that they are working on the E911 effort first....


Yes they are working on E911 just like every other Voip provider, but Vonage is the ONLY one that has slowed down adding new features. Most if not all Voip providers I have looked at have cheaper service, ACR, call blocking, and some even have the wifi phones that Vonage is still testing already in production. They even have calling to many other countries as free and unlimited calling as well. All others even allow byod supporting sip.

Seems the only one that new features have been holding up on is on Vonage doesn't seem to affect the others. Vonage used to be the leader but they are not the leader anymore all the other Voip companies are getting caught up and now are passing Vonage and leaving them behind.

Even cell phones are being released with wifi access, so Voange is missing the boat on that one. I just bought a i930 and with that I can put in a sd wifi card and go wifi off my cell phone. So now I get to decide if i buy the 10 buck softphone and only get 500 minutes or just switch to another provider that support sips and have unlimited calling, ACR, call blocking, ect all the things Vonage doesn't have. SO far the only thing I am waiting for is a local exchange on one of the others have only checked a few out and only checked for local exchanges on one of them.



Not every Voip provider has E911 capabilities...fyi on that one...

And please explain to me which companies are passed Vonage...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Aside from the current various state attorney general lawsuits (they have not gone away) this new FCC director is no friend of Voip, not like the last one was. He is ready to shut Vonage any any other Voip company down if they do not get this e911 worked out.

So the current director of the FCC is going to hold back Voip. Uh, I think the horse left the barn a long time ago. When you look at the current FCC stance on Voip it is clear to me where the problem lies. In case you are curious I will provide a link to the FCC 911 statement:
FCC VoIP 911
So either the FCC is being influenced by the large POTS companies who have everything to lose or they have their head in the sand. Has the FCC solved the problem of E911 with cell phone service? The best they can do is get your location down to which cell tower and maybe within a mile of your location. I haven't seen cell service die. And, there are several devices on the market that allow you to tie your cell phone into your home phone wiring. You can buy them at big box electronics stores. So we now know the FCC can be influenced, but we already knew that about any of the governmental agencies. I seriously doubt they will get this horse back into the barn.

As for Vonage being bought out, I think that is probably a good bet based on the customer base. Time has proven that many companies are bought for their customer base or name rather than their equity. Why did BP buy Amoco? They promised the Amoco shareholders the Amoco name would stay in the United States (I'm a shareholder). So where did Amoco go other than a small sticker on the gas pumps? It would not surprise me to see an offer and if BellSouth doesn't step in before Sprint then that would shock me. Once they have the customer base then you will see changes. I just hope that doesn't include price.

I can already hear the reply, "but Vonage doesn't have feature A or feature B." The numbers are there and they have other advantages that are missing in some other companies, such as the toll free number and the simplification of installation. Why do you think they lock you out of all those settings? Sure, it makes those who know the technology upset because they can't tweak as much. But, it keeps those who do not know what they are doing from causing problems.

Solvency is another issue with the other companies. If I were BellSouth I would see Verizon with VoiceWing, SBC with AT&T Callvantage, and Sprint's statements about moving into the Voip market. That would influence my decisions.

Finally, let's move back to the FCC one more time. Just what do they propose as the future of communications? (The FCC has really not impressed me over the last decade. They are more reactive than proactive.) DSL is a bandaid to bandwidth death on the old twin copper wires. And what does that get you? The consumer will continue to grow the technology even if slowed by the FCC with the big POTS companies lining their pockets. But eventually the monster will be too big to tie down. Most people who are disappointed with Vonage are not abandoning Voip. They are just seeing if they can solve their situation with another company.

Right now, I'll stick with Vonage and see what happens. I bought the PAP2, used the standard Linksys wireless router with the cable modem provided by Time Warner. I have done zero tinkering and I have had zero problems with sound quality better than POTS. And I cut my bill by $100 per month. But, alas, all that savings so far has gone to gasoline (and I don't have that much stock in BP).

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Trowski wrote:
tzarcone wrote:
Trowski wrote:
I think a bit more accurate statement is that they are working on the E911 effort first....


Yes they are working on E911 just like every other Voip provider, but Vonage is the ONLY one that has slowed down adding new features. Most if not all Voip providers I have looked at have cheaper service, ACR, call blocking, and some even have the wifi phones that Vonage is still testing already in production. They even have calling to many other countries as free and unlimited calling as well. All others even allow byod supporting sip.

Seems the only one that new features have been holding up on is on Vonage doesn't seem to affect the others. Vonage used to be the leader but they are not the leader anymore all the other Voip companies are getting caught up and now are passing Vonage and leaving them behind.

Even cell phones are being released with wifi access, so Voange is missing the boat on that one. I just bought a i930 and with that I can put in a sd wifi card and go wifi off my cell phone. So now I get to decide if i buy the 10 buck softphone and only get 500 minutes or just switch to another provider that support sips and have unlimited calling, ACR, call blocking, ect all the things Vonage doesn't have. SO far the only thing I am waiting for is a local exchange on one of the others have only checked a few out and only checked for local exchanges on one of them.



Not every Voip provider has E911 capabilities...fyi on that one...

And please explain to me which companies are passed Vonage...


No I never said they all had E911, just said they all have ACR, DND, calling to 20+ countries included free....Cheaper service and cheaper options. I just stated even though EVERY Voip is working on E911 the only one that has stopped dead in its tracks is Vonage. Other providers even have the Wifi phone out which was being first released by Vonage as press releases say, even after other provider actually have it as an option it is no where to be seen from Vonage all you get from Vonage is being delayed 3 months at a time.
Now they even have it out for CELL phones before Vonage even has it out. I would tend to think building it into a phone that never had it or supplying sd cards to access Voip would be harder than making it work with sip on an existing network...

And before anyone comments yes I am a Network Engineer. Also the wifi phone does and will work with sofphone option as well but they wont even release it for that.

But now why buy thier wifi when you can start getting it on your cell phone than only one phone to carry and one battery to worry about. Everyone complains about ACR, call blocking and have for atleast a year and Voange is the only company that hasn't listened to its clients all the other implement it and have it working.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

http://www.broadbandreports.com/gbu

Lists ratings as to satisfaction etc....As you will see Vonage is right near the top with over 110 reviews...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Trowski wrote:
http://www.broadbandreports.com/gbu

Lists ratings as to satisfaction etc....As you will see Vonage is right near the top with over 110 reviews...


Yes but not at the top where they used to be.....
Also pretty much everyone is complaining about one thing or another just read the forums here. Most people look to save a buck or two and get more value for thier money. As soon as cable companies, and phone companies came out with Voip what did Vonage do they lowered thier rates. Yes Vonage has the market share cause of all the comercials on TV and ads on the web. Which is another reason why other providers can probally charge less no prime time expenses.

King of the hill can be at the bottom of the hill quick if they don't listen to thier customers after all what makes any company? Thier customers without them the company is NOTHING!
If the majority of the customers over 90% want something than they should get it or some other company will giev them what they want and the first loses.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I really only take stock in the reviews that are 3-40+ people. 6 reviews IMHO does not give an accurate picture of their quality etc.

Yes, rating can change quickly. Look at SR, as they are going through the floor becuase of almost daily outages, and a few national meltdowns.

Again, I am sure that features such as ACR are being worked on, and that Vonage would not be holding them back just for giggles. Vonage had a great market share even prior to the commercials. These smaller companies etc may be cheaper and have numerically more "options" so to speak, but don't have 24/7 support, alot arebleeding money and I question the longevity, and AFAIAK, having boatloads of features I don't need is great and all, but if the service is not working they don't mean squat.

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