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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:17 pm    Post subject: Bridge from POTS to Vonage (or any IP phone) Reply with quote Back to top

[align=left]If this subject has already been discussed on the forum, please forgive my ignorance.

I am looking for a way to make use of my Vonage service when I am not at home. I would like to be able to, for example, call from my office to my landline, and a device will answer the call. By punching in a password, my call connects to Vonage and I hear a dial tone. Then I can dial the actual number I wanted to call, and Vonage would not know the difference.

Another Voip provider, i2telecom, has this capability on their device, MG3. Their PC-based service, VoiceStick and i2bridge, when combined also provides this capability. I am wondering how I can achieve the same effect with Vonage.

This and this link may explain better what I am looking for.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I would imagine you would have to have 2 Vonage lines and a home pbx such as the opensource home PBX such as Asterix@Home placed on an old computer used as a linux box. This way you can call in and use that to call out on another line.

http://asteriskathome.sourceforge.net/

Above is the link for this.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I use asterisk to do this and route my calls out through another provider and works great. I even use a php app whereas I can put in a url like http://myhomeip/callme.php?number=5555551212/SIP/provider and it will call me with a dialtone to dial out with.

To use Vonage with asterisk you will need a card that you can hook up to asterisk like a cloned X100P. They go for about $7.00

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Here is what I did to achieve what I'm thinking you are after:

General

I live in Bangkok but need cheap comms to the USA. Vonage gives me a USA area code and number in BKK. Dime difference is 14 hours so most of my calls come in while I am away from my condo.

Solution A

I bought a Sipura SPA-3000 from Voxilla (unlocked, can use any provider) it’s bit like spelunking to set up but I paid for the priority support service so...

http://store.voxilla.com/customer/product.php?productid=16144&cat=248&page=1

I then requested SoftPhone number from Vonage (extra $10 per month).

I used the Voxilla setup wizard:

http://voxilla.com/spa3kconfig.php

After a day worth of plodding around in the setup page and comparing others on the Voxilla forum I finally was able to get the following working very well:

1. Calls to my Vonage SoftPhone number are routed immediately to my Thailand cell phone via my local POTS line. My local copper wire calls are $0.07 per CALL (not min).

2. From another local number in Bangkok like my office or cell phone I can call my condo POTS number, after second ring I get a new dial tone. From there I am on my Vonage SoftPhone number and can call the world on Vonage rates. A password can be programmed to allow access only when the correct one is used.

Solution B

I also bought a Voip port converter from SIP CPE Sources (FX-200). This device is touted as being something you can attach to your existing ATA. I have tried it with a PAP-2 and a Motorola VT-1000 without consistent success.

There is a little pot you need to tweak and I found it would go out of range easily if the power went off and back on while I am away from home, the maid moves it, I look at it a little too hard or just really need it to work properly. This solution is not recommended by me but others may have it working.

Recommendation

Go with the SPA-3000 and don’t pay for the priority service as I found them unhelpful and slow. Use Voxilla, Vonage-Forums or DSLReports forums if help is needed.

I have not tried the Asterisk solution but would like to look into it as it sounds very interesting.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Bridge from POTS to Vonage (or any IP phone) Reply with quote Back to top

hering wrote:

I am looking for a way to make use of my Vonage service when I am not at home. I would like to be able to, for example, call from my office to my landline, and a device will answer the call. By punching in a password, my call connects to Vonage and I hear a dial tone. Then I can dial the actual number I wanted to call, and Vonage would not know the difference.


Hmmm. It would be a bit of a hassle, but you could use your computer to access your Vonage account and set call forwarding to forward to the number you want to call. Then call your home number and it's forwarded to your party. When you're done, get back on the internet and disable call forwarding until next time.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

This is really what Voip and SIP is all about... the idea of multiple presence with a single account. Unfortunately, Vonage locks down the ATA and will not give you the credentials. Using something like Asterisk can solve this problem... it basically serves as your own personal PBX system, and a gateway to Vonage.

Asterisk talks to Vonage either using:

1. FXO card: This card basically takes the RJ11 output of your ATA and lets the Asterisk server use that card for dialing and receiving calls.

2. Softphone account: No card required -- you basically use your softphone credentials with Asterisk to give you dial tone.

In either case, your Asterisk box serves as your proxy to Vonage. If you're away from home, you can use your computer to connect to the box and use it as an off-site extension of your PBX system, or if you have it set up to be open to the outside, any digital phone set to log into your PBX system will ring and provide dialtone as long as you have access to a network jack.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:05 pm    Post subject: Using a non-Vonage ATA Reply with quote Back to top

jpd wrote:
Here is what I did to achieve what I'm thinking you are after:

General

I live in Bangkok but need cheap comms to the USA. Vonage gives me a USA area code and number in BKK. Dime difference is 14 hours so most of my calls come in while I am away from my condo.

Solution A

I bought a Sipura SPA-3000 from Voxilla (unlocked, can use any provider) it’s bit like spelunking to set up but I paid for the priority support service so...

http://store.voxilla.com/customer/product.php?productid=16144&cat=248&page=1

I then requested SoftPhone number from Vonage (extra $10 per month).

I used the Voxilla setup wizard:

http://voxilla.com/spa3kconfig.php

After a day worth of plodding around in the setup page and comparing others on the Voxilla forum I finally was able to get the following working very well:

1. Calls to my Vonage SoftPhone number are routed immediately to my Thailand cell phone via my local POTS line. My local copper wire calls are $0.07 per CALL (not min).

2. From another local number in Bangkok like my office or cell phone I can call my condo POTS number, after second ring I get a new dial tone. From there I am on my Vonage SoftPhone number and can call the world on Vonage rates. A password can be programmed to allow access only when the correct one is used.

Solution B

I also bought a Voip port converter from SIP CPE Sources (FX-200). This device is touted as being something you can attach to your existing ATA. I have tried it with a PAP-2 and a Motorola VT-1000 without consistent success.

There is a little pot you need to tweak and I found it would go out of range easily if the power went off and back on while I am away from home, the maid moves it, I look at it a little too hard or just really need it to work properly. This solution is not recommended by me but others may have it working.

Recommendation

Go with the SPA-3000 and don’t pay for the priority service as I found them unhelpful and slow. Use Voxilla, Vonage-Forums or DSLReports forums if help is needed.

I have not tried the Asterisk solution but would like to look into it as it sounds very interesting.


Thanks a lot for your help. After looking at the 3 alternatives (namely, Asterisk, SIP CPE Sources (FX-200) and SPA-3000), it seems to me that SIP CPE Sources (FX-200) is the most hassle-free. SPA-3000 seems to be the best choice, but I already own a Vonage-provided phone terminal Motorola VT1005V. This raises a new question (which has probably been answered a million times on this forum or Voxilla, sorry): Can I replace my VT1005V with other ATAs? If so, can someone kindly point me to a resource?

Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

hering,

From what I understand, a primary Vonage account needs to come with it's own ATA "Pre-Vonaged" in the firmware (some of you folks are much more proficient at this and please correct me if I am wrong)

This is the reason I went with adding a SoftPhone account. I had originally planned to use my VoicePulse account for this but someone else was borrowing it when I had time to play around. You can scroll down the wizard link for the SPA-3000 and see the list of Voip providers it supports. http://voxilla.com/spa3kconfig.php

I just didn't find the patience to get the FX-200's working properly nor did a friend I bought one for. This seems like an easy solution, I just wish I had more faith in that device.

I guess if you want to only have one Vonage account and use an external device for port conversion I'd try the FX-300:

http://sipcpe.com/fx300-features.html

It's in beta but you may find it has more features as well as fixes in the older FX-200.

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