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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:17 am    Post subject: Discrepancies in Speed Test Results Reply with quote Back to top

My ISP is Adelphia and I can consistently achieve 4Mbps+ Dn/400Kbps+ Up speeds at a variety of speed test sites except for the Vonage test. I have run numerous tests here and have never achieved more than 2.4Mbps download speed but the upload speed was very accurate. Yet I can run the same Voip test at MySpeed.Visualware and the results are inline with the speed test I get at Adelphia, Speakeasy, Bandwidth Place or a FTP transfer site.

Is the Vonage speed test considered accurate or is it a measure of how much bandwidth is being used by Voip? Is this inacccurate(?) measurement affecting the other parameters, resulting in an overall flawed test?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

We have discussed this before with regard to Comcast in a thread titled Speed Test.

I believe that somewhere between my computer and the website my speed is being artificially limited. Something similar is likely happening with Adelphia.

Vonage Forum Speed Test wrote:
My Results
Download 1,953,680 bps
Upload 366,088 bps
QOS 91%
RTT 60 ms
MaxPause 71 ms


Vonage (Not Forum) Speed Test wrote:
My Results
Download 3.34 Mbps
Upload 367 kbps
QOS 78%
RTT 4534 ms
MaxPause 130 ms


The test on this site is not intended to be anything more than a speed test. No explicit relationship to Voip.

From a Voip standpoint it is irrelevant whether you can download at 2.4 Mbps or 4 Mbps when your upload speed is so much lower.

This could be caused by many factors, but the consistency of the results that I see leads me to believe someone is explicitly throttling the throughput.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

scerruti wrote:
We have discussed this before with regard to Comcast in a thread titled Speed Test.

The test on this site is not intended to be anything more than a speed test. No explicit relationship to Voip.

From a Voip standpoint it is irrelevant whether you can download at 2.4 Mbps or 4 Mbps when your upload speed is so much lower.



My Results @ Vonage Site
Download 1,047,000 bps
Upload 449,576 bps
QOS 34%
RTT 50 ms
MaxPause 140 ms

My Results @ VisualWare
Download 4,147,000 bps
Upload 449,576 bps
QOS 98%
RTT 60 ms
MaxPause 60 ms

MySpeed Results @ Host.net
Down 4,919,784 bps
Upload 472,824 bps
QOS 77%
RTT 10 ms
MaxPause 50 ms


My point was that there is a significant discrepancy in the speed test, with the Vonage site being way off, so what does that mean? I believe it means that the Vonage site test is inaccurate when compared with VisualWare and every other site I run a speed test. And I also inquired as to how this inaccuracy affects the results that are produced.

I believe you were referring to the Vonage site when you stated that "The test on this site is not intended to be anything more than a speed test. No explicit relationship to Voip". So, the question is, why is it specifically called a "Vonage Voip Speed Test" It is confusing, misleading and contradictory.

You also stated that "From a Voip standpoint it is irrelevant whether you can download at 2.4 Mbps or 4 Mbps when your upload speed is so much lower." Well the download speed will always be lower then the upload by design of most broadband services. So, the question begs, if it is irrelevant why should the test exist at all? As you can see from the numerous posts at the Vonage forum, people are looking at that "speed" test and the results it produces as a measurement of the quality of their line and subsequently their service. Me, I am just looking for an accurate measurement to properly evaluate the quality of the service at it relates to whatever, be it bandwidth or equipment.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

JoeP wrote:
You also stated that "From a Voip standpoint it is irrelevant whether you can download at 2.4 Mbps or 4 Mbps when your upload speed is so much lower." Well the download speed will always be lower then the upload by design of most broadband services. So, the question begs, if it is irrelevant why should the test exist at all?

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Actually, the download speeds will always be much higher that upload speeds. And if you notice it looks just like the Visualware tests. hmm...

It's a speed test that measures the QOS like you asked about before. Speed tests have so many different variables it is ridiculous.

If you don't like the Vonage Speed Test, Voip test whatever you care to call it JUST DON'T USE IT!

Problem solved.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

JoeP wrote:
You also stated that "From a Voip standpoint it is irrelevant whether you can download at 2.4 Mbps or 4 Mbps when your upload speed is so much lower." Well the download speed will always be lower then the upload by design of most broadband services. So, the question begs, if it is irrelevant why should the test exist at all?


The intent of the speed test is to give the user some idea of whether their broadband connection will support Voip and how many lines it will support, that is the sole reason the test exists. The test determines the number of lines based on the lower of upload speed or download speed, so the test results in the same answer regardless of whether it reports 2.4 or 4 Mbps. That is why the correctness of download speed is irrelevant. It has no bearing on the outcome of the test.

Most of the forum members recommend the testyourvoip.com test because it specifically measures your line with respect to Voip quality. A satellite user is going to pass the test on this site but the test on that site will tell them that the latency is going to detrimentally effect call quality.

JoeP wrote:
As you can see from the numerous posts at the Vonage forum, people are looking at that "speed" test and the results it produces as a measurement of the quality of their line and subsequently their service.


I can't support the speed test's QoS metric. I have already stated that I don't believe that it is useful and that we have seen plenty of people reporting good results with low QoS scores.

JoeP wrote:
Me, I am just looking for an accurate measurement to properly evaluate the quality of the service at it relates to whatever, be it bandwidth or equipment.


The testyourvoip.com preserving voice quality to Boston gets as close to that goal as possible without support from Vonage. Also that's site's golden phone test can provide additional quality measurements of your actual Vonage line.

The ideal test would be a golden phone test hosted by Vonage or an internal loop test performed by the adapter and Vonage's servers. Neither of these solutions exist as far as I know.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Actually, the download speeds will always be much higher that upload speeds. And if you notice it looks just like the Visualware tests. hmm...

It's a speed test that measures the QOS like you asked about before. Speed tests have so many different variables it is ridiculous.

If you don't like the Vonage Speed Test, Voip test whatever you care to call it JUST DON'T USE IT!

Problem solved.


It is not a matter of my liking or dis-liking the test nor is it an issue of what test I want to use. My objective is to determine the value of the test and how it relates to Voip. So, if there is a significant discrepancy, as I stated, it is only logical to question why.

Please read scerruti's post above and you will see the response that I was looking for and what is appropriate for the issues I raised.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

scerrutti,

What is the "golden phone test" you referred to?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I tend to think if there wasn't any relevance at all then Dan would not have it here..I also think that people want exact results/answers etc when it comes to Voip and tests...
You can get an approximate, and base you decision from there.

And I always read Scerruti's posts...

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

JoeP wrote:
scerrutti,

What is the "golden phone test" you referred to?

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http://www.testyourvoip.com/golden_phone_faq.html

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Trowski wrote:
JoeP wrote:
scerrutti,

What is the "golden phone test" you referred to?

Joe P


http://www.testyourvoip.com/golden_phone_faq.html


Thanks!!

I found the following information in the FAQ's noteworthy:

Why should I call you (golden phone test) if I can run the TestYourVoIP applet from my computer?
No reason. Seriously. If you've visited us to determine whether your broadband connection is capable of providing you the quality of service you need for Voip, we recommend you run the TestYourVoIP applet. The applet will exercise your broadband connection just like a Voip phone call would.

Here's when you might consider calling us: you don't have broadband yet or your PC is underpowered, but you still want to try TestYourVoIP out; you've already got Voip and want to see how your Voip phone is working; or it's late and you just want to talk.


The statement above in bold is what I thought the "Vonage Voip Speed Test" did which is why I was questioning its purpose and accuracy.

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