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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:15 pm    Post subject: Cogeco VoIP adapter/router has 8hour backup! Reply with quote Back to top

Hey I was just looking on the cogeco site and they are just rolling out Voip, still more expensive than Vonage with less options (just like Bell). But one thing I liked is that their phone adapters have an 8 hour battery backup in them. Is Vonage doing anything like this?

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Q: Will my telephone service work if there is no power?

A: In the event of a power failure, your telephone service will continue to operate since the multifonction cable modem is equipped with a battery back-up supporting an approximate 8-hour stand-by time.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

In my opinion using a UPS is a better idea than battery powered adapters.

a) Unless the rest of your network equipment (ie DSL or cable modem) is also battery powered having your adapter battery powered is useless.

b) The UPS also provides surge suppression.

The device you are looking at is an integrated cable modem/adapter used by the cable companies for their Voip solutions. The backup power is used to power the adapter and cable modem, but since this is a separate modem from the one you might use in the house your Internet service will still go down unless you have a UPS on your own cable modem.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

scerruti wrote:
In my opinion using a UPS is a better idea than battery powered adapters.

a) Unless the rest of your network equipment (ie DSL or cable modem) is also battery powered having your adapter battery powered is useless.

b) The UPS also provides surge suppression.

The device you are looking at is an integrated cable modem/adapter used by the cable companies for their Voip solutions. The backup power is used to power the adapter and cable modem, but since this is a separate modem from the one you might use in the house your Internet service will still go down unless you have a UPS on your own cable modem.


you are a genious! Why didnt I think of that.

But all the battery backups i see are very expensive and a little bulky and only last for about half an hour. How can they offer 8 hours and not have a monster battery? I guess because it is only powering an adapter/router not a computer!

How long would you say would an average desktop battery backup from best buy last powering just the adaptor and cable modem (ex: APC BE-350U)?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

There is a calculator on the APC site. You can put in the information from the power adapters for all the equipment you want to put on it and get an estimate of battery length.

The power requirements on the adapters is max power and your estimate will be significantly lower than you should expect in real life. You can go through the manuals to try to find continuous power to get a better estimate.

You don't need a big UPS for this equipment to get several hours uptime. I chose the largest wall mounted unit I could find more because of the number of powered outlets than the amp hours.

The real bonus to this solution is surge suppression. You can also pick up a UPS which will also surge suppress and ground your phone line. I am using the APC Back UPS 500.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:43 pm    Post subject: dc ups Reply with quote Back to top

why don't you use dc ups,like apc powershield for modem, router and phone?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Staples.ca has some APC UPS350 for $60 (good deal as they qualify for free shipping to most places and they are no light), that gives a desktop computer+monitor a run time of 20 minutes, your looking at a long time for a Voip adapter.

I already had my ADSL modem and routers on a UPS.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The least expensive UPS I've found is an OPTI-UPS from ncix.com, $80-90 CDN (often on sale), and it's 1100VA - much longer standby than any other model in that price range (typically 350-500VA. Includes shutdown software for your PC, and even the USB cable! Like scerruti said, the added benefits of a UPS are worth the price alone. Highly worthwile investment.
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Cogeco not portable Reply with quote Back to top

What if you want to take your adaptor with you on a trip? Smile won't work with Cogeco because their phone service works on their cable network on a dedicated frequency and not on any network connected to the internet.
It's not the same technology.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:46 pm    Post subject: battery back up Reply with quote Back to top

The modem may still work, but what if you are using a cordless phone? I remember back in Halifax a few years ago with the hurricane, all the cable phone users with Eastlink phone were without a phone, I had a phone line with the phone company and never lost my phone.

If the power goes out or I lose my internet connection my cell phone will take the call.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

8 hours my foot... The Verizon FIOS, Comcast, and BrightHouse Voip boxes only run for ~4 hrs on a good day (from what I've seen). Also, some of these (I forget which ones specifically) stop providing an internet connection on loss-of-power.

You actually don't need huge batteries for long runtimes if you keep everything DC rather than doing a DC->AC->DC conversion, which is terribly inefficient. (well under 50% if you're trying to power a Voip adapter off a traditional UPS) The DC adapters for the Voip devices are terribly inefficient. Just taking the label info right off the adapter, an adapter for an RTP300/WRTP54G/PAP2 v2.0 is as follows:
AC In: 23 watts
DC Out: 12 watts

For a PAP2 1.0:
AC In: 36 watts
DC Out: 10 watts

Granted, these are usually listed maximums, but it gives you an idea of how inefficient these wall-warts are.

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