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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:27 am    Post subject: NEWBIE - Can i use VOIP completely wirelessly? (no router) Reply with quote Back to top

Hey Guys, I apologize if this has been asked, but I tried a forum search and had no luck. I also emailed Vonage and 3 days later have had not response! Here goes:

I am moving to a building that has high-speed wireless internet through-out. My only communication to the network will be through my wireless card and the air. I will have no access to any of the network infrastructure.

1) Can I use Vonage under these conditions? It would be like sitting at the airport at a wireless hotspot and expecting to sign-up to Vonage from there and hook up a physical phone, too!

2) How would I connect a physical phone since I'd have nowhere to plug-in their "box"?

3) What if I have configuration issues? I won't be able to change any network settings....


Thanks guys. I appreciate your help in answering this Newbie's dumb questions...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:44 am    Post subject: Re: NEWBIE - Can i use VOIP completely wirelessly? (no route Reply with quote Back to top

Depending on the security of the wireless network, this may or may not work. But I'm thinking you could set up a wireless bridge that you would plug the Vonage device into.

The wireless bridge could either be a PC or a dedicated appliance such as a Linksys bridge. I would try it with a PC first, before buying a dedicated device, to see if the wireless security will even let you do this.

Basically you would connect the PC to the wireless network, and then you would bridge a connection from the PC's wireless card to the PC's ethernet card. You would then plug the Vonage device into the PC's ethernet card. If using Windows, I think this is called Internet Connection Sharing.

If this works, then you could break free of the PC by putting a Linksys wireless bridge in place, and then connect the Vonage/Linksys device to the wireless bridge. If you have a spare Linksys WAP or wireless router, many of these can be converted into wireless bridges using third party firmware.

I think Vonage is also working on a WiFi phone that will do exactly what you want with no extra hardware.

Let us know if you get it to work - good luck!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for the informative post. I did not know you could setup a wireless bridge within your own computer system. By that same logic, I could hook my desktop computer to my laptop (via an ethernet cable) and have my desktop computer share my laptop's wireless connection (via the laptop's wireless card). Very interesting solution. I would not have thought of that.

So, based on your answer, I will have to test this bridge setup before I sign-up for the phone plan to have any hope of it actually working.

Either that or wait for that wireless Voip phone to come out and hope that it doesn't cost a fortune.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

So has anyone else used Voip in a similar situation. I'm sure there have got to be some college-type people out there who only have a wireless internet connection in their dorm but use Voip. That would be similar to what my building offers.


Man. It's nice that I'll have free high-speed internet, but there's something unsettling about not having any control over it...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Once you get on that network, you can go to http://www.testmyvoip.com from your computer and see the connection tests out to be. I've seen a few college housing complexes which had the "wireless high-speed internet"... about the only part of the statement that was true was that there weren't hardwired ports in the apartments. It was anything but high-speed (only takes a few people running BitTorrent and other P2P programs to kill that) and the wireless signal was so poor that even external atennas weren't much help.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

TrackSmart,

More than the possibility that it will work, I would most concerned about latency and other quality issues as you will be competing with many others for bandwidth.

I think it will work unless the security setting is so tight that you can only access certain websites. But I would be concerned more about quality of the call.

Give testyourvoip a try.

let us know.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

VonageTPA wrote:
Once you get on that network, you can go to http://www.testmyvoip.com from your computer and see the connection tests out to be. I've seen a few college housing complexes which had the "wireless high-speed internet"... about the only part of the statement that was true was that there weren't hardwired ports in the apartments. It was anything but high-speed (only takes a few people running BitTorrent and other P2P programs to kill that) and the wireless signal was so poor that even external atennas weren't much help.


Excellent points. Thankfully I am in a regular building (as opposed to a college dormitory) so hopefully I will have better luck - and fewer mass downloaders.

But yes, it's possible that the signal in my particular apartment will be weak. Or that a single person on Kazaa or Emule or whatever they use these days could kill my bandwidth. I had not thought much about that. I guess I should test my connection a number of times throughout the week to see if I will have a good enough connection to make Voip worthwhile...

Thanks for the input! I will definitely try that link when I move into the new place (this Sunday).


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

mundy5 wrote:
TrackSmart,

More than the possibility that it will work, I would most concerned about latency and other quality issues as you will be competing with many others for bandwidth.

I think it will work unless the security setting is so tight that you can only access certain websites. But I would be concerned more about quality of the call.

Give testyourvoip a try.

let us know.



Again. Good advice. I'm very glad that I came to this forum. I had not thought about all the important requirements for Voip. I figured "hey, I'll have a high-speed connection - now I can use Voip and save lots of money..." Obviously it is not so simple. It sounds like the integrity of your internet connection is really really important. Thanks for pointing me to the right tool for testing it!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The Linksys product that you would want to use for a bridge would be a WET11 or WET54G. Purchasing one of these would allow you to test your connections speed and latency. You may wish to put a router of some sort in between your computers and this device. If you went with a wireless router you would need to set it up on a different channel then your buildings wireless service.

I have used these Linksys WETXX devices extensively and found them to be a very effective wireless to ethernet converter. Hope all works well for you.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

E-Gads wrote:
The Linksys product that you would want to use for a bridge would be a WET11 or WET54G. Purchasing one of these would allow you to test your connections speed and latency. You may wish to put a router of some sort in between your computers and this device. If you went with a wireless router you would need to set it up on a different channel then your buildings wireless service.

I have used these Linksys WETXX devices extensively and found them to be a very effective wireless to ethernet converter. Hope all works well for you.



Thanks for the tip. Those do seem like the right devices for the job. But, are there any cheaper alternatives for this job? And would it be possible to do as an earlier person suggested and create an internal wireless bridge (i.e. plug my Voip phone into my computer's ethernet port and create a bridge between my ethernet card and my PCI wireless card?) I am not very network savvy, so I'm not sure if that kind of setup would work.
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