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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:14 pm    Post subject: Why is Vonage so involved with VoIP? Reply with quote Back to top



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Vonage is not the only company involved with Voip. Whatever the lure of Voip companies are getting into Voip. I think the companies, getting into Voip business , and people, using Voip, are totally misguided. The reason is that we have cellular phone service that is rapidly developing and now migrating into 3rd generation (2000 MHz frequency Spectrums). I don't know why Voip was developed. Instead of Voip the Internet Infrastructure and the Internet Browser should be redeveloped so that the Servers are no longer required to send documents or files to the Remote Servers. Instead the Servers receive the surfing comands from the wireless Handsets that can send the text messages and process the commands themselves.

These wireless handsets, that are capable of sending text messages messages, would ten be all that a person would need to access the internet and to make cell or voice communications. Phone companies (allmost all of them) are offering unimited inutes to their customers. But they don't give them an opportunity to use these unlimited minutes. Instead they make them subscribe to the unneeded Internet service (atleast the internet vservice would be unneeded if the new infrastructure, as mentioned herein, is developed. These subscribers to the Internet service then are sold Voip phones. You'd think that a laptop is all that is needed to make use of internet telephones using Voip. NO. Not atall. You need Voip phones. Atleast companies are making Voip phones what for. To get people to spend money.

The first cellular phone service company that supports financially my efforts to develop the new Internet Infrastructure and Internet Browser will experience an exponential rise in the number of subscribers. This company will not have to use the gimmick of one bill for Voip service, for cell phone service, internet service and so on. Only one service would be needed and that would be the cell phone service. Even Landline phone service would not be needed. There would be no need for baby bells and their local phone monoply. There would be no need for the long distance phone service.

I believe Vonage should serious consider donating $5 Million towards my efforts to develop the new Infrastructure if it wants to become a major force as a telecommunications company. My email address is newerawisp@rediffmail.com
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is Vonage so involved with VoIP? Reply with quote Back to top

newerawisp wrote:
Whatever the lure of Voip companies are getting into Voip.


Voip will radically change the nature of telephone communication in the world by taking the actual voice call and separating it from the physical infrastructure and making it a protocol which can be carried by any infrastructure. Just as IP can be carried via wireless 802.11, Ethernet, DSL, GPRS, EDGE, and many other techniques, phone conversations will be liberated from the old copper/fiber system and freed to travel over many different avenues to radically reduce costs.

In addition these new infrastructures provide the needed boost in bandwidth to carry video conversations, allow for presence indicators and will hasten the demise of phone numbers tied to physical locations to be replaced with addresses not for just people, but for things (companies) and roles (help desk on call).


newerawisp wrote:
I think the companies, getting into Voip business , and people, using Voip, are totally misguided. The reason is that we have cellular phone service that is rapidly developing and now migrating into 3rd generation (2000 MHz frequency Spectrums). I don't know why Voip was developed.


Currently Voip can be achieved at a much lower price point than 3G wireless technology when the broadband costs are excluded. In many situations this is valid because sufficient broadband capacity is available as a side effect of another function, or broadband is provided by a third party for little or no costs (hot spots).

Even when broadband costs are factored in, the addition of Voip can be done at so little cost that it makes sense to purchase an unlimited EVDO package and use Voip instead of also purchasing a separate CDMA voice plan.

In addition wireless technology depends on the installation and maintenance of a specific type of hardware supporting a specific protocol. Voip can operate in conjunction with that hardware but can also operate in many environments where that hardware is not available, for example in rural areas or inside buildings.

newerawisp wrote:
Instead of Voip the Internet Infrastructure and the Internet Browser should be redeveloped so that the Servers are no longer required to send documents or files to the Remote Servers. Instead the Servers receive the surfing comands from the wireless Handsets that can send the text messages and process the commands themselves.


I do not understand your vision. If the servers never send any data to the clients how does the user get the information?

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These wireless handsets, that are capable of sending text messages messages, would ten be all that a person would need to access the internet and to make cell or voice communications.


There will become less differentiation between voice and data minutes under the new systems. In the future the mobile phone makers will have to make their systems interoperate with Voip systems in order to succeed. Already phones are being sold with Voip capability because Voip phone calls can be made in places where mobile networks might not be available. By separating the protocol from the transport layer and indeed separating the identifier (phone number/sip address) from the device we create a great deal of flexibility.

newerawisp wrote:
Phone companies (allmost all of them) are offering unimited inutes to their customers. But they don't give them an opportunity to use these unlimited minutes. Instead they make them subscribe to the unneeded Internet service (atleast the internet vservice would be unneeded if the new infrastructure, as mentioned herein, is developed. These subscribers to the Internet service then are sold Voip phones. You'd think that a laptop is all that is needed to make use of internet telephones using Voip. NO. Not atall. You need Voip phones. Atleast companies are making Voip phones what for. To get people to spend money.


Data usage is problematic with wireless services because we don't know how to bill for Internet usage. It is very hard for companies to sell data services on the per MB plans because they can't relate MB to items that users can measure (# of emails, # of webpages). However, wireless data is very important not solely for consumer use but also for automated devices. Having efficient wireless transports that restrict the protocols that can be used will be ignored by the marketplace as dead end technology.

newerawisp wrote:
The first cellular phone service company that supports financially my efforts to develop the new Internet Infrastructure and Internet Browser will experience an exponential rise in the number of subscribers. This company will not have to use the gimmick of one bill for Voip service, for cell phone service, internet service and so on. Only one service would be needed and that would be the cell phone service. Even Landline phone service would not be needed. There would be no need for baby bells and their local phone monoply. There would be no need for the long distance phone service.


Yet your service would cost more, be available in fewer places and not support as wide of a range of functions. It would provide a fixed user experience limited by the capabilities of the wireless handsets.

newerawisp wrote:
I believe Vonage should serious consider donating $5 Million towards my efforts to develop the new Infrastructure if it wants to become a major force as a telecommunications company. My email address is newerawisp@rediffmail.com


Sorry, Vonage is in the business of spending investors money to increase Voip customer base. I doubt they have any interest in making donations to develop a system that the chief architect claims would put them out of business. Best of luck with your venture.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Or, said much more succintly;

My Rebuttal to Qualcomm's Strawmen

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Beck now actually makes a number of arguments in favor of offloading data to Wi-Fi. He points out that GPRS networks are already congested for voice, and that adding data will cause even more problems. (This is marketing as well as fact: their technology is competitive with GPRS.)

So Wi-Fi and GPRS makes sense as a package, because cell carriers want to offload their expensive data traffic onto Wi-Fi networks which are relatively cheaper and allow them to continue to carry huge amounts of voice traffic on the expensive cell spectrum. (See my InfoWorld story which quotes Sky Dayton of Boingo saying the same thing.)

Then he says that UMTS providers will experiment quite a bit and offer all kind of plans and options because they’ll have the spectrum available for it. We’ll see. I think he set up one strawman here — scarce voice spectrum — that can’t be so easily knocked down.

The finances just don’t make sense. If it costs a small fraction of your cost of licensed spectrum and cell towers to build or buy into a national network that offers substantially higher speeds at partner locations, why not preserve that licensed spectrum for higher-cost services?


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