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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Well... last night it was all working fine but this morning there was no dial tone. So I rebooted everything and got the dial tone back but we could not seem to dial out. After dialing the line would stay quiet with no connection.

I had to go to work but I'm thinking tonight I may just plug the MTA into a port on my router. I hate to lose the QoS stuff but I need this to work a bit more reliably.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

My experience has been that the PC port of the Motorola is always addressed as 192.168.102.1. If you turn NAT off on the Motorola, then anything that is connected to the PC port must be statically addressed on the 192.168.102.0 subnet, for example, 192.168.102.2 or .10 or .100 or .254.

If you plug your PC in, statically address the PC and it works. If you plug in the WAN port of your Linksys router, you have to give the WAN port of the Linksys an address of 192.168.102.something.

My question about the whole pass-through idea is this: If you turn off NAT/DHCP on the Motorola and supposedly enable this "pass-through functionality", what 192.168.102.x address does the Motorola forward inbound connections to?

I tried the pass-through approach myself about 10 days ago, and was only partially successful with inbound connections. The one problem I had was that inbound Microsoft PPTP would not work. I think that the Motorola did not know where to forwarf the inbound GRE tunnel traffic. FYI, PPTP works like this:

1. PPTP client opens outbound TCP connetion to server on port 1723, authentication happens.

2. PPTP server allocated IP address, DNS server addresses and domain (and maybe other stuff) to client.

3. Client gets new routes in its routing tables depending on how the client PPTP connection is configured. Windows 2000 and XP by default make the new VPN connection the default gateway - all traffic from the client goes out over the VPN connection.

4. Client then sends VPN traffic over IP protocol 47 (GRE) to server.

5. Server sends VPN traffic to client's VPN address over IP protocol 47 (GRE).

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Well, after turning off NAT in the vt1000's configuration page, I tried the procedures suggested in Jeff's post. The second reboot of the broadband modem actually caused the Vt1000 to start to function in pass-through mode! I had dial-tone and my pc - which was plugged into the lan port of the vt1000 - was directly receiving an ip address through dhcp from the broadband modem. In effect, the vt1000 and the pc were sharing the same ip address. Unfortunately, this success was short-lived. After about 30 seconds, I lost dialtone and the pc lost its network connection.

I wonder if anyone has asked any of the Vonage techs how to get passthrough mode to work? I looked around on the Motorola site, but all the vt1000 technical documents require some sort of license/password. I guess this is for security, but if passthrough mode is a *feature* of the vt1000 then there ought to be documentation somewhere on how to get it to work.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Dan and all:

if what I read either here or DSLReports (It all runs together after a while) about the firmware update STEALTHING the V1000 ports is true, maybe it will be fine in the front? I need to ask if I have that update. If not, I want it. My system isn't hideous without it; with it, I may have the perfect situation.

I still haven't tried pass through. You keep going first, okay? Lol

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Laureltn:

Thanks for the info! I missed the news about the firmware update.

So, I just went to grc.com and did a ShieldsUp! scan and low and behold - "All Ports Stealth!"

That eliminates any reason I would have had to try to get the pass-through thing working. If I can have QOS without the big "PROBE HERE" sign, then I will just leave the vt1000 in front. I guess that also means that the suggestions about port 23 are now also moot.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

cool breeze, dan. I is stealthed as well. Things are pretty good here. We'll cross our fingers -- well, that's "fangers" here in Nashville, and see what happens. Now if Comcast would just give us the speed hit, life would be GOOD.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

My Vonage box seems to "die" within a few hours when it's plugged in front of my router. Power cycling it (and my cable modem) fixes the problem but it seems to be temporary each time.

I really need better reliablity so I plugged my laptop into the PC port and give it an address in the correct subnet and switched the Vonage back to the default mode. Then I stuck Vonage behind my router. It's been up for a couple of days now with no hitches.

Oddly, a cross-over cable would not give me a connection direct from the laptop to the Vonage PC port. I had to use a straight-through cable. Confusing but whatever, it worked.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Jeff:

it seems we all have slightly different formulas for success, doesn't it? Mine has been super. I come home today and my email won't work and my browser is out and my phone is hanging on by a thread. i call comcast trouble line and they're having outages in my county and surrounding ones. i rebooted the cable modem and had some really bizarre activity for a bit but now all's back to normal. this was straight from them, though. I didn't wait to see if it would have reset on its own. i probably should have -- but I always push it to get back up as quickly as I can!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

OK. Here's my latest theory on why some people have succeeded in getting the vt1005 to work in front, when DHCP/NAT is turned off, and others (like me) haven't been able to get it to work:

In passthrough mode, the vt1005 and the device behind it are both going to ask for an ip address from a dhcp server, and both requests are going to be passed to your broadband provider's dhcp server. If your broadband provider only gives you one ip address to work with however, then only 1 device can succeed in using dhcp. If the other device tries to use dhcp it will end up not having an ip address assigned. I called Comcast and asked about this. They said in my area with my service, Comcast strictly limits a user to 1 ip address, though a second address could be had for about $7.00/month. According to the Comcast tech, if two devices on my network make dhcp requests, then in short order they will both lose their connection to the internet. Indeed, that is exactly what happens to me when I place the vt1005 in front and turn NAT off. (Note a comment from Lauren way back at the start of this thread: "Troy, my buddy in support, and I chatted about it. He said it works okay as long as I don't have two devices trying to pull IPs.")

My guess is that anyone who has gotten the no NAT mode to work with the vt1005 in front is grabbing two different ip addresses from their broadband provider's dhcp server. They may not realize this however, because once the vt1005 is in no NAT mode, there is no longer any direct way to access the vt1005's web page and see what address it is using. (To do that you have to turn off the pc's dhcp and set its static ip address to 192.168.102.2.)

I was confused about this at the start of this thread. I thought that in no-NAT mode the vt1005 was "passing-through" all non-voip traffic to a second device which had the *same* ip address as the vt1005. But two devices both using dhcp to obtain dynamic ip's are not going to share the same address! That's why you need two ip addresses to get the VT1005 to work in no NAT mode with a dhcp client behind it.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 4:59 am    Post subject: You *CAN* have the ATA in front of a router with one IP Reply with quote Back to top

First let me really, really thank the people that contributed to this thread. You allowed me to have the rare experience of actually finding relevant and useful information based on other users' experiences when attempting to solve my own problem. Too often one finds message board posts asking the same question as one's own without any useful responses. Really, thank you.

With the information posted in this thread, I was able to set up my Motorola VT1000v ATA in front of my Linksys BEFSX41 router/firewall using a single IP address from my DSL provider. Prior to this I had the ATA behind the router, dynamically getting its IP from the router's DHCP server as do all the other devices on my LAN. So I wasn't getting the benefit of the ATA's QoS throttling, and the setup was debatably causing my Vonage phone service to intermittantly not receive incoming callls. That remains to be seen as I test it over the next few days.

Here's my setup:
- Fixed IP DSL service (I really think this should work fine for those whose IP is dynamically assigned as well)
- Vonage service with the Motorola VT1000v ATA
-- Software/Bootrom Version: VT20_01.1.14
-- Config File: 5901225
- Linksys BEFSX41 Router/Firewall/DHCP Server
- Multiple hosts on non-routable LAN

VT1000v Configuration:
- Under "Basic Configuration", I specify the static IP address provided by my DSL provider. But I really think this should work fine for those whose IP is dynamically assigned by their provider as well. Configure your ATA accordingly. (Including, of course, PPPoE or specific DNS servers).
-- This means that the ATA's WAN port will be routable provided in some form by your ISP. Packets will be routed from the ATA to your ISP's gateway.
- Under "Advanced Configuration", I have DHCP/NAT enabled.
-- This means that the ATA's LAN port will be on its default 192.168.102.255 non-routable netblock. The ATA's internal IP will remain its default 192.168.102.1 and it will assign some other address within that block to DHCP clients that request it on this port. In this case we will only have one DHCP client, that being the Linksys' WAN port.

Linksys Router Configuration (should work on other similar makes/brands too):
- Plug the router's WAN port into the ATA's PC port.
- Configure the router to dynamically obtain its WAN IP using DHCP. This means that the router's WAN is the one and only client of the ATA's DHCP server, so it will be assigned some address in 192.168.102.255 other than 192.168.102.1.
- Configure your router to use some non-routable netblock on the LAN port other than 192.168.102.255. In my case I used 192.168.1.255.
- Configure your router to act as a DHCP server on that LAN port.
- Configure your LAN hosts to dynamically obtain their IP's using DHCP, or manually set them to something within your chosen LAN netblock if need be.

That should be it. So you now have the ATA acting as a DHCP server on the 192.168.102.255 netblock with one client, that being your router's WAN port. Then you have the router acting as a DHCP server on your chosen non-routable LAN netblock, all of its clients being the hosts on your LAN. I like this solution because I still get to use the Linksys as my primary DHCP host, firewall, port forwarder, etc. (that's what I bought it for, after all), and I'm only using the ATA's DHCP and NAT services to facilitate the Linksys. And hopefully I'll now have better Vonage service and benefit from the ATA's QoS. Smile
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