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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:19 am    Post subject: Re: UPnP on the VT1005? Reply with quote Back to top

Grunthos wrote:
I can't find anything that would suggest that the VT1005 supports UPnP.


Sorry, Grunthos ... I meant "my router" by my Linksys, not VT1005.

Little Update: I re-discovered one post I've been trying to find for a quite a while... because it mentions this link, which got me starting thinking about ports on my Linksys and VT1005:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8644566~mode=flat

And followed you guy's advice plus that info mentioned on this link. With my original configuration (cable modem -- VT1005 -- Linksys -- PC)... man oh man, not only port 23 (telnet) was visible, but almost everything else wasn't "stealth" (for non-techies, it means "invisible"), but just "closed" (again for non-techies, it means "I'm here, but not available")!!

So, that was enough motivation for me to switch around. After putting VT behind the firewall (Linksys), and forwarded port 113 (which was only "closed" port still showing while everything else became "stealth") and now everything showed "stealth" and that made me happy. And you're right, maniac... I didn't notice any change in voice quality, either.

Now I was thinking... perhaps Vonage left port 23 open so they can "push" the new firmware??? Maybe with that closed, I'm not getting any updates??? What do you all think?

Also the beauty of daisychaining those two was, I could check both of them without changing the wiring to my laptop... so checking the status of both are real breeze. Now, I kinda miss it because whenever I had to check VT, I had to plug my laptop into it. Sad

So, I've been trying to put them on the same network after I put VT behind the firewall (no daisy-chain)... but Linksys being 192.168.1.1 (last two octets (for non-techies, it's the number between dots) are chagable) and VT with 192.168.102.1 (none of those octets are changable) ... it's not really helping. Cry Do you have any suggestions?

Thanks,

-K


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

cyberkazoo

Glad you are getting it to work. I see you found the security holes. Good. BTW, Vonage doesn't use port 23 or port 67, 137 or 139.

On my VT1005, I can change all octets on the WAN side. No matter. So long as you are using he same Class C address and the same subnet mask, you will be on the same network. Or, you can get an IP from the routers DHCP. Either way, it works great.

Yes, you found one of the limitations in that Motorola, in their infinate wisdom, only allows access to the configuration via the PC port. So behind the router, this is a potential challenge or so I thought. For me, it turned out to be a non-problem. I did the initial set up and haven't had any need to any configuration thereafter although I have a spare laptop that I can use.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: UPnP on the VT1005? Reply with quote Back to top

cyberkazoo wrote:

Sorry, Grunthos ... I meant "my router" by my Linksys, not VT1005.
-K


I know. My point was that if your router supports UPnP, but the software on the VT1005 does NOT, then you're not actually using UPnP to map ports. What I was pointing out was that I installed UPnP support into my router yesterday, but the VT1005 isn't making use of it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: UPnP on the VT1005? Reply with quote Back to top

Grunthos wrote:
cyberkazoo wrote:

Sorry, Grunthos ... I meant "my router" by my Linksys, not VT1005.
-K


I know. My point was that if your router supports UPnP, but the software on the VT1005 does NOT, then you're not actually using UPnP to map ports. What I was pointing out was that I installed UPnP support into my router yesterday, but the VT1005 isn't making use of it.
--Josh


I guess there is a couple of ways of looking at this. Any router that I tried with UPnP support (D-Link, Zyxel, etc.) allows the VT1005 to be plugged in WITHOUT having to do port forwarding. That is what UPnP is all about. I am not a Linux person so I can't advise there. Vonage also indicates that the VT1005, if used with UPnP devices, should not require port forwarding. I have verified this with 8 different UPnP routers.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: UPnP on the VT1005? Reply with quote Back to top

cyberkazoo wrote:
Grunthos wrote:
I can't find anything that would suggest that the VT1005 supports UPnP.


Sorry, Grunthos ... I meant "my router" by my Linksys, not VT1005.

Little Update: I re-discovered one post I've been trying to find for a quite a while... because it mentions this link, which got me starting thinking about ports on my Linksys and VT1005:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8644566~mode=flat

And followed you guy's advice plus that info mentioned on this link. With my original configuration (cable modem -- VT1005 -- Linksys -- PC)... man oh man, not only port 23 (telnet) was visible, but almost everything else wasn't "stealth" (for non-techies, it means "invisible"), but just "closed" (again for non-techies, it means "I'm here, but not available")!!

So, that was enough motivation for me to switch around. After putting VT behind the firewall (Linksys), and forwarded port 113 (which was only "closed" port still showing while everything else became "stealth") and now everything showed "stealth" and that made me happy. And you're right, maniac... I didn't notice any change in voice quality, either.

Now I was thinking... perhaps Vonage left port 23 open so they can "push" the new firmware??? Maybe with that closed, I'm not getting any updates??? What do you all think?

Also the beauty of daisychaining those two was, I could check both of them without changing the wiring to my laptop... so checking the status of both was real breeze. Now, I kinda miss it because whenever I had to check VT, I had to plug my laptop into it. Sad

So, I've been trying to put them on the same network after I put VT behind the firewall (no daisy-chain)... but Linksys being 192.168.1.1 (last two octets (for non-techies, it's the number between dots) are chagable) and VT with 192.168.102.1 (none of those octets are changable) ... it's not really helping. Cry Do you have any suggestions?

Thanks,

-K
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for the all the input and advise.

Josh--My UPnP was off by default and I had to turn it on as well, and as soon as I did that, it worked! And with that, I was assuming UPnP on my router was working... but you think it's not? (FTI, Vonage shows list of modems on their support site and it also shows whether they're plug-n-play or not) I feel sorry for you if the issue you mentioned has something to do with your home-made router, though.

maniac--About Motorola's wisdom you mentioned. Did they make VT in a way it can't talk to others on the same network, then? If so, I don't see the need of matching first three octets anymore, as VT is working anyway (why bother to set it all to 192.168.1.x or 192.168.102.x, right?) Confused

A little update: I started noticing a little .... um, almost hissing sound on the background, which I didn't pick up when VT was outside of the firewall. It constantly sounds "sssssssssssssssssssssssssss" on the back as I'm on the phone... eventually I was kinda getting headache (if I keep getting it, I might need to switch back to old configuration, I might try that to see it dissapears over the weekend). It wasn't pleasant at all Sad Could that be the QoS thingie Motorola/Vonage are talking about? Has anyone experienced this?

-K.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

cyberkazoo wrote:


**snip**

maniac--About Motorola's wisdom you mentioned. Did they make VT in a way it can't talk to others on the same network, then? If so, I don't see the need of matching first three octets anymore, as VT is working anyway (why bother to set it all to 192.168.1.x or 192.168.102.x, right?) Confused

**snip**

-K.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:44 pm    Post subject: Router issues Reply with quote Back to top

Hi
i tried to connect VT1005 before the netgear MR814 router it doesnt work but if i connect VT1005 after the router it works. Can any one of you give me suggestions on this.Really appreciated.Well i tried with basic set up cablemodem --- VT1005 - laptop it works.
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