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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 9:48 am    Post subject: How to set port forwarding with two PAP2s on same network? Reply with quote Back to top

Sorry if this has been addressed before . . . if so, please forward me the link to the answer. I'm trying to determine how to configure port forwarding with two PAP2s on the same network. Ever since I installed the second PAP2 both lines are subject to intermittent dropouts. I have set both units to have static IPs, and my bandwidth (both directions) is fine. Should I simply set all four port ranges to forward to both PAP2s? That wouldn't make much sense, as they'll both be receiving twice the necessary traffic when both adapters are being used.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Please give more details on your local network setup. Specifically what is the router that you are using?

The PAP2's continuously send out a "heartbeat" to the Vonage servers. (About once every 10 secs when you are not on a call.) In turn the Vonage servers use this for connectivity when they have to "call you". If your router is capable of doing connection tracking for UDP packets then the port forwarding is not required.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for the reply . . . I am running a Linksys WRT54G with the latest firmware update.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I do not have a Linksys WRT54G router but from what I have seen on this forum I do not believe that port-forwarding is your source of intermittent dropouts.

My guess is that you have packet jitter, packet dropout types of problems. The source of these problems is either from your local network and/or from your ISP on up. A couple of questions:

1. What is happening locally when these dropouts occur, i.e. are you using both phones? is there some other local heavy network traffic?

2. Run a test at testyourvoip.com and post your results.

3. Who is your ISP?

4. Consider dropping your Bandwidth Saver setting down to 50kbps from 90kbps for both phones at your Vonage website.

5. Make sure that you have the most up-to-date firmware in your WRT54G.

I do not believe that the WRT54G router has the ability to setup QoS. This may be a problem with two PAP2's.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Is it even possible to forward a port to two seperate IP addresses? I've setup plenty of firewalls but this was something I've never seen, let alone think is possible.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Nothing out of the ordinary is happening on the network. Inbound call quality remains consistently excellent -- good while our outbound speech is sometimes OK to basically unintelligible. Again, this problem seems to be intermittently occuring over the last three weeks or so. We have Comcast cable in the Baltimore, MD area. I have set a few non-Comcast DNS servers to sidestep any problems they're having / had with their DNS servers.

The WRT54G is updated to the latest firmware and I've enabled the QoS for the MAC addresses of the two Linksys PAP2s.

I tried the Bandwidth Saver settings, and all were useless. If anything, things got worse when they were enabled.

I ran the tests at testyourvoip.com and came up with the following results:

MOS Analysis from You TO Boston

Media Quality MOS 1.0 / 5.0
(Best with G.711 is 4.4)

Degradation Sources
Codec 0.58 14.4%
Latency 0.83 20.7%
Packet Discards 1.96 49.1%
Packet Loss 0.63 15.7%

Codec G.711 (PCM at 64kbps,
20ms RTP payload,
80kbps IP BW)
Round-Trip
Latency 2514 ms
Packet Discards 74.1%
Packet Loss 23.7%
Loss Periods Min: 20 ms
Avg: 160 ms
Max: 440 ms
Burst Loss

Jitter Min: 0 ms
Avg: 20 ms
Max: 140 ms

Signaling Quality Post-Dial Delay 312 ms
Call Setup Time 312 ms
Media Delay 594 ms
MOS Analysis FROM Boston To You

Media Quality MOS 2.6 / 5.0
(Best with G.711 is 4.4)

Degradation Sources
Codec 0.57 24.4%
Latency 1.69 71.9%
Packet Discards 0.08 3.6%
Packet Loss 0.00 0.0%

Codec G.711 (PCM at 64kbps,
20ms RTP payload,
80kbps IP BW)
Round-Trip
Latency 2514 ms
Packet Discards 0.4%
Packet Loss 0.0%
Loss Periods Min: 60 ms
Avg: 60 ms
Max: 60 ms
Random Loss

Jitter Min: 4 ms
Avg: 12 ms
Max: 121 ms

Signaling Quality Post-Pickup Delay 254 ms
Call Setup Time 231 ms
Media Delay 285 m


Again, standard bandwidth test on the net show our bandwidth is close to what Comcast is advertising, and I don't have any problems downloading, web browsing, etc.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

JS,

I believe that your testyourvoip.com results are the worst I have ever seen. javascript:emoticon('Sad')
Sad There is something terribly wrong somewhere. What kind of PC did you run this test from? I actually had an ancient laptop on my network up until recently and running the test from it gave pretty bad results.

I have posted my results below as a reference point.

Your round trip latency (2.514 seconds) is a killer. The packet loss/discards in both directions is also very bad, especially outgoing. It looks like your outgoing traffic is bursty which is consistent with the large latency. In this test you dropped snippets of outgoing speech that averaged 160ms and one was as long as 440ms.

I would really crawl all over my local network/machines/traffic and make sure there is nothing freaky going on - spyware, virus, etc. If that is not it then you need to contact your ISP and get them to fix this or at least help identify the problem.

My results from 10 mins ago:

MOS Analysis from You TO Boston
-------------------------------------------

MOS
4.4 / 5.0
(Best with G.711 is 4.4)


Degradation Sources
Codec 0.58 100.0%
Latency 0.00 0.0%
Packet Discards 0.00 0.0%
Packet Loss 0.00 0.0%
Codec G.711 (PCM at 64kbps,
20ms RTP payload,
80kbps IP BW)
Round-Trip
Latency 139 ms
Packet Discards 0.0%
Packet Loss 0.0%
Loss Periods
Min: 0 ms
Avg: 0 ms
Max: 0 ms
No Loss
Jitter
Min: 0 ms
Avg: 7 ms
Max: 28 ms
Signaling Quality
Post-Dial Delay 79 ms
Call Setup Time 94 ms
Media Delay 219 ms

MOS Analysis FROM Boston To You
----------------------------------------------
MOS
4.4 / 5.0
(Best with G.711 is 4.4)


Degradation Sources
Codec 0.58 100.0%
Latency 0.00 0.0%
Packet Discards 0.00 0.0%
Packet Loss 0.00 0.0%
Codec G.711 (PCM at 64kbps,
20ms RTP payload,
80kbps IP BW)
Round-Trip
Latency 139 ms
Packet Discards 0.0%
Packet Loss 0.0%
Loss Periods
Min: 0 ms
Avg: 0 ms
Max: 0 ms
No Loss
Jitter
Min: 4 ms
Avg: 6 ms
Max: 20 ms
Signaling Quality
Post-Pickup Delay 112 ms
Call Setup Time 120 ms
Media Delay 142 ms Sad

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