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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 5:25 pm    Post subject: Linksys BEFSR81 To Multiple Linksys RT31P2 Adapters: I Lost Reply with quote Back to top

OK. First off let me explain that I am network newbie (still have to cord attached Wink ). I have searched the forums (and the web in general) and found other examples but nothing seems to be working correctly. Right now I am just trying to get one of the RT31P2 Phone Adapters to work (will work on the second one later). I had the connection setup the way the instruction manual says but that didn't work. I followed some examples in here and have it somewhat working (internet works but no phone service). Also, the computer that is on the RT31P2 network can not see the computers that are on the BEFSR81 network. I really need to have all of the computers so that they can see each other. Is this possible?

As I said, I'm a network newbie and am not sure what 3/4's of the jargon means. I got a diagram (very rough, of course) that shows what I eventually want the network to look like. It's going to have 2 phone adapters (both Linksys RT31P2). PA #1 will have one phone number plus a separate fax #. PA #2 (which will be a second Vonage account), will have a second phone # and a second fax #. Anyway, here is the layout (if I'm allowed to post images):



Right now I'm only working with one phone adapter (call it PA 1). It is on my desk along with the cable modem and the BEFSR81 Router. So, you have:

Internet --> Cable Modem --> Linksys Router (BEFSR81) and right now the whole network is working (all the computers have access). One of the Cat5 cables goes from one of the LAN ports on the BEFSR81 To the "Internet" port on the RT31P2. There is one computer connected to "Ethernet 1" and one phone connected to Phone 1 on the RT31P2. The computer (which is what I'm on now) has Internet access, but the phone does not work.

When you pick up the receiver, you get a quick busy signal, then a dialtone. When you dial, it immediately goes to busy (no ring). If you dial the phone number which is supposed to work for this phone adapter, you immediately go to voicemail (the phone doesn't ring). Also, the Phone 1 light on the front of the RT31P2 is not lit.

I'm not sure what I should post (in terms of settings) but I'll post whatever I think might be relevant and if anyone needs more information, please ask. I've got 3 browser windows open (one for the admin page of the BEFSR81, one for the admin page of the RT31P2, and one for this window). Here are the settings:

Linksys BEFSR81
Setup Tab
LAN IP: 192.168.1.1
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
"Obtain an IP automatically"

Status Tab
LAN:
IP Address: 192.168.1.1
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
DHCP Server: Enabled

WAN:
IP: 66.56.2.224
Subnet: 255.255.252.0
Gateway: 66.56.0.1
DNS 1: 204.127.202.19
DNS 2: 216.148.227.79
DNS 3: 0.0.0.0

DHCP Tab
DHCP Server: Enabled
Starting IP Address: 192.168.1.100
Number of DHCP Users: 50

Advanced Tab
DMZ Host: 192.168.1.0

Filters Tab
Block WAN Request: Enabled
Multicast Pass Through: Enabled
IPSec Pass Through: Enabled
PPTP Pass Through: Enabled
Remote Management: Disabled (port 8080)
MTU: Disabled
Filter Internet NAT Redirection: Disabled
Filter IDENT: Disabled


Linksys RT31P2
Setup --> Basic Setup
Internet Connection Type: "Obtain an IP automatically"
Router IP: 192.168.15.1
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
Local DHCP Server: Enabled
Start IP: 192.168.15.100
Number of DHCP Users: 50

Setup --> DDNS
DDNS Service: Disabled

Setup --> MAC Address Cone
MAC Clone Service: Disabled

Setup --> Advanced Routing
NAT: Enabled
Dynamic Routing: Disabled

Security --> Filters
Block WAN Requests
Block Anonymous Internet Requests: Enabled
Filter Multicast: Disabled
Filet Internet NAT Redirection: Diabled
Filter IDENT: Enabled

Administration --> Management
UPnP
UPnP: Disabled

Status --> Voice
Can't Connect to Login Server

Status --> Router
Login Type: DHCP
Internet IP Address: 192.168.1.101
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.1.1
DNS 1: 204.127.202.19
DNS 2: 216.148.227.79
DNS 3: 0.0.0.0

Status --> Local Network
IP: 192.168.15.1
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
DHCP: Enabled


OK. That's everything I can think of that might be of importance. I'm not even sure if I'll be allow to post all of that because of the length of the post (I'm keeping my fingers crossed).

Like I said, the internet is working. But the two problems I'm have right now are that the phone service is not working and this computer (behind the Linksys RT31P2) can not see the other computers on the network behind the Linksys BEFSR81.

Any idea's? Any and all help is greatly appreciated and thanks for any assistance you can give me.

John
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

First and foremost your problem lies in the fact that you have multiple routers on your network that are not on the same IP segement. You SR81 is 1.1 while your 31p2 is 15.1. Unless these devices are switches and you have route tables in place, the 1.1 network will never see the 15.1 network since they are on different IP segements. While the WAN interface on your 31P2 is picking up a 1.x address, anything behind that router is getting a 15.1 address. In order for all the gear to play nice you need everything to be on the 1.1 IP scheme. Right now your are double NAT'ing every piece of gear behind the 31P2's and that is another of your issues.

That being said, your best bet would be to put one of the 31P2's in place of the SR81 and buy a plain jane 8 or 16 port hub to connect all your gear correctly. If I'm not mistaken, the 31P2 is designed to be a router so it can handle all of the functionality that the SR81 does. You will still have a problem though with the second 31P2.

I'll be honest, I don't have a 31P2 and I don't really run any Linksys router gear anymore (I replaced it a year ago with a SonicWall firewall and am in the process of replacing that with a Netgear firewall). From what I remember of the the WRV54G that I used, there was no way to transfom the device into a hub of sorts that passes IP addresses through from another device. It's built so that it can handle it's own DHCP capabilities. Setting the WAN side to say a 1.x address and then setting the DHCP range to the 1.x range confused the hell out of the router that I did this on about two weeks ago (the WRV54G). Someone else may need to answer if the secondary 31P2 can be changed so that any device connected to it can get a 1.1 address from your network.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

That's what I was afraid of (the multiple-network problem). I'm hoping I'll be able to just alter the IP address of the RT31P2 (not sure if I can or not). Damn, I am really hoping that I'm not going to have to replace more hardware to get the network setup (where all the computers can see each other) AND use the multiple phone #'s and fax #'s that I want to use.

Hopefully somebody will have some answers Sad
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You can statically set the IP address of the WAN port on the 31P2. The problem becomes the fact that it's a router unto itself so it want to either act as a DHCP server, or allow computers with a properly set static IP address to connect to it. The issue is this....the WAN port can be configured to talk with the rest of your network. The LAN ports though cannot. They are configured to use the WAN as portal out to the web. I've tried setting the LAN address of a Linksys to the same IP range as the WAN and upon reboot, the router never came up. I had to reset the router to make it accessible again. The reason you are having problems is that devices sitting behind the 31P2 router are running double NAT. Your computer/device is asking the 31P2 to go and get info for it and then the 31P2 is asking the SR81 to get info. More than likely, data is getting lost in that mix. as it's coming back through the LAN because it doesn't know where the request for data originated.

One of the 31P2's though should be able to take the place of your SR81. The two main differences between the two are that the SR81 is an 8 port router while the 31P2 is a three port router as well as a Voip box. That's it. The 31P2 can handle the connection to your cable modem. You issue is that you lose network jacks. That's solved by running out to your local computer store and picking up an 8 port switch. Linksys makes em (their 8 porter model number EZXS88W usually runs $50).

Your probelm if you make this change will be your second 31P2. It will have the problem described above with double NAT. The only way you will probably get around this is by getting a device like the Linksys PAP2. It's just a Voip box. That's what I run since I have a dedicated firewall device. I connect the firewall to a 16 port hub and all the computers, PAP2, and my one WAP run smoothly from there.

There may be someone on the boards that might have a different solution for the 31P2 issue but I deal with this every day working in IT. I may not be the best at describing the issue but I'm pretty sure that the solution above will fix a bulk of your issues. You can easily test this by simply connecting the 31P2 to the cable modem and testing to see if the devices currently connected to that device work. If they do, then you need to rework your LAN. That or you need to see if the SR81 and the 31P2 support routing tables and go about setting up routing between all the devices. Honestly, in my mind it's easier to rework the network since it will be scalable and easier to manage as time goes on and you add or remove devices on the LAN.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 3:53 pm    Post subject: Don't have to buy anything extra Reply with quote Back to top

Just change the static IP address on the Voip router to a static ip address 192.168.1.2 or what ever ip address is available. Shut everythin down and reboot modem than start first router then the next. Currently have linksys wireless g in front of the Voip router and it works perfectly.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Your problems is that that modem is not compatible with Vonage.
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