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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 2:20 pm    Post subject: RT connected to BEFW1154 wireless, and connection issue Reply with quote Back to top

First let me say that I'm really excited to have Vonage, for the savings as well as the technology.

Now on to my issues Smile

I just received the RT a couple days ago, so my number hasn't been converted over yet. I wanted to test the setup, usability, and verify my computers internet connections.

Well, here's my setup.

Comcast ISP:
Cable modem connects to PC Firewall running Smoothwall. The inside interface of the Firewall connects to the RT internet port. I have assigned a static address to this port, one that matches the rest of my internal network (192.168.1.x), this address is 192.168.1.252.

I have a connection going from the RT to the BEFW1154 wireless Linksys router, where my PC and Linux server are connected.

Here's my issue:
I made one successful call and when I hung up, my internet connection was gone. I moved the connection from the Firewall-RT to BEFW1154 and the internet was restored.

This may have something to do with a setting on the RT, but I would think that if that was the case, the internet wouldn't work before the phone call either.

Other issue:
Connecting these two routers together. Has anyone done this, any issues? Everything seemed fine, but now I can't mount a drive on the Linux server from my PC, can't ping my PC from the Linux server either.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

not totally clear on how your network is set up. can you spell it out like modem - smoothwall pc firewall - befw - pc2 and linux box - rt31p2, etc.
I guess my first question is, why are you using a pc firewall when you have a router (2 routers now)? is there something specific it does that the router doesn't?
it would be simpler to take it out of the picture and set it up with modem - rt31p2 - befw -pc's.
I assume you are going from the rt31p2 ethernet port to the internet port of the befw right?
all of your computers need to be on the same subnet, which I think you did. are you referring to the smoothwall pc or the other pc? the pc and linux box are still on the befw right? and how do you have dhcp setup?
need clearer network picture(s) of both how you want it set up and how it is setup currently (after the first call when you moved connections)

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 2:48 pm    Post subject: Thanks for the reply Reply with quote Back to top

Here's the current setup.

Cable modem --> Firewall

Firewall --> RT (internet port)

RT (Ethernet 1) --> BEFW (Ethernet 1)

PC --> BEFW

Linux --> BEFW

To answer your first question, a router is not a firewall. But we don't need to go into this as I don't think the firewall is the issue at this time anyway Smile

All computers are on the same subnet, 192.168.1.x

Sorry, when I said PC I meant my XP machine. DHCP is setup for 192.168.1.100 and up, but I have assigned static addresses to my Linux and XP PC (I know, why have DHCP then, that's for my laptop wireless card and anyone that may visit).

The reason I'm trying to get the RT and BEFW connected is for the port space, and the wireless capabilities.

As for how I want it setup, I want to try to keep as much off the RT as possible, keep it clear for calls. I think I need to connect to the BEFW's internet port to help with this (I was up late last night working on it, so I didn't think of that).

After the first call, I only moved the one connection:

Firewall --> RT, so it's now Firewall --> BEFW
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

a router is absolutely a firewall. that's why they're called hardware firewalls. it apparently doesn't meet your needs though, which is what I was curious about.
but anyway, I assume you have your firewall set up correctly, but you haven't mentioned if phone has worked at all since that first call, just internet. is phone working or not? if not, make sure you are letting the rt31p2 past the firewall. ports 5060 – 5061 (UDP)
10000 – 20000 (UDP) it also uses port 69 (tftp) for firmware updates, and uh, maybe one or two others that don't come to mind. those are the primary ones though.
besides that, definitely go from rt31p2 ethernet to befw wan/internet port. I guess you could use crossover, but it doesn't sound like you are, and that's a little more needlessly complex.
fwiw, mine always worked fine like this:
modem - rt31p2 dhcp on - smc wireless router dhcp on - computers. because all computers were on the smc, they could all talk without any additional setup. it sounds like this is what you want to do anyway.
if phone isn't working, and continues to not work, plug it directly into the cable modem just to ensure it can get a connection, then you can troubleshoot the firewall.
as for the comment about keeping the rt clear for calls, it won't make any difference since it's still serving the befw. sounds like you want to set up qos on the rt31p2. it's under apps and gaming in the rt31p2's internal page (http://192.168.15.1). it will basically ensure a certain amount of bandwidth is reserved for the phone call (and only while the phone is in use).

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I did read the knowledge base article about open the ports. Thing is that the version of Smoothwall I have doesn't have the ability to do ranges, so the 10,000 - 20,000 is going to be a PITA!!! All the other ports are open though.

I will get the RT going to the internet port on the BEFW.

Sorry, about leaving out info about the phone. After I noticed the issue, I did pick up the phone and get dial tone, didn't try calling though, just assumed it would work.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 9:47 am    Post subject: Realization Reply with quote Back to top

Router vs. Firewall.

A router is the same as a firewall in that they can both segregate traffic from different networks.

Network A (192.168.1.x/24) --- Router --- Network B (192.168.2.x/24).

However, a router allows all traffic to flow to each network, depending upon destination, subnet mask ...

A firewall only allows the traffic through that you have told it to. Hence the information you gave me about the ports needing to be opened on a firewall. That doesn't have to be done with the TR. Now it appears that there are some firewall capabilities on the TR, port forwarding for example.

Just wanted to point out that a router and firewall are not the same. Let me put it this way. A firewall can be a router, but a router may not necessarily be a firewall.

Oh, btw, I have my smoothwall out of the picture at this time, and everything is working.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 2:34 pm    Post subject: Update Reply with quote Back to top

Just FYI ...

I've upgraded my Smoothwall Firewall to 2.0.

I now have a different network setup, I'll try to lay it out below:

Comcast --- > Firewall (Red Interface - Public)

Firewall (Green Interface - LAN) --> Wireless Router (Non WAN port)
Devices on Wireless Router:
XP PC and Linux Web Server

Firewall (Orange Interface - DMZ) --> RT31P2 Router (WAN port)
Only other item on this device is the phone system

I have made calls and received calls, with no interruption to my internet browsing.

I have the ports being forwarded per the following article:

http://www.vonage.com/help_knowledgeBase_article.php?article=152&category=0

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