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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 12:54 pm    Post subject: Jump in, the water is fine. Reply with quote Back to top

You may be overthinking the whole thing, which was my mistake. I would put the Vonage box between your cable modem and your local router, which is what I did. I tried it the other way, and it seemed to work - after a fashion. Frankly, I would avoid long cable runs, even if it is good quality cable.

My problem was, that with the Vonage box tapping off the router, that took away one of my available ports. My primitive router (provided by the cable company) has only 4 ports, and I have four computers. So unless I wanted to rely 100% on wireless LAN for one computer, I would have to do it the other way.

So I put the Vonage box between the cable modem and the local LAN router. After powering everything on, I got dialtone right away. The install was literally "plug and play".

At the present time, I have two POTS lines and one Vonage line going into my private PBX. As soon as the phone number changeover is done, the POTS lines are history, and I'll rely on 100% Vonage.

So far, the only way I can tell the difference between the Vonage calls and the POTS calls is that the Vonage calls DO sound a lot clearer.

But as they say, your milage may vary. I suspect it has a lot to do with bandwidth and conditions of your cable modem line.

BTW, most Telcos offer unlimited long distance for a flat rate. Verizon offers a plan for $24.99, but that is ON TOP of the monthly phone bill. So Vonage still comes out ahead by at least $30 a month.

Frankly, I think the concept of "long distance" is obsolete and will probably fall by the wayside in the next few years. Who doesn't have unlimited long distance on their cellular, landline, or Voip phone these days?

In a similar vein, I think 1-800 numbers will disappear at about the same time.

Good Luck!
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 12:58 pm    Post subject: Who's listening Reply with quote Back to top

I don't believe that listening is as easy as tapping a copper wire! I have even read that the FBI is a mite unhappy about Voip because setting up a tap on Voip is difficult. If your planning on doing something ilegal or unethecial perhaps you might ought to consider not talking about it on the telephone.

You would have to spend a ton of money to listen to me talk on Vonage and you wouldn't get much for your money! You can easily tap my copper line with $2 bucks worth of equipment. Still you won't get much information. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 1:15 pm    Post subject: I have to agree there... Reply with quote Back to top

I get inquiries from folks all the time, and they ask me to send things via fax, or through laborsome encryption. They argue that the Internet is unsafe, and that "anyone" could intercept a message and read it.

Really? Have you read about ANYONE actually doing this? I sure haven't. You know, you'd think this would be in the papers somewhere - messages being snatched from the ether. If it were that easy to do, you'd think that intercepted Internet messages would be published all over the place - to the embarrassment of celebrities and government officals.

Heck, you'd think the STAR or NATIONAL ENQUIRER would have a full-time team on this....

But you just don't see that happening. Not even once. At least not that I've heard about.

Data on the Internet is sent in packets, through an uncertain path of various nodes. A single message may be routed through a number of different nodes, and the packets reassembled at the destination. So there is no predictive way to intercept 100% of all data packets of one message 100% of the time, unless you can tap into a node at the sending end or receiving end of the message.

And even if you could get all the packets, you'd have to be on-line when the data is being transmitted, and be searching for packets with a particular address on them. In short, it is no easy proposition. You'd have to be looking for data from a particular person and be searching for it. Your ISP could do this.

Of course, they say that roughly half of all Internet traffic passes through Northern Virginia, home of the CIA. So I guess they could probably do a bang-up job of intercepting messages as well.

But the kid down the street hacking with his old PC? I seriously doubt it.

If you are using an cordless telephone, THAT can be easily hacked, particularly the older ones. Anyone with a scanner (or the same model phone) can listen in to your conversations.

Just my 2 cents. If you can point to a specific example of an internet message (voice, e-mail, whatever) being intercepted by a non-governmental third party, I'd really like to see it. Seriously. I've heard this rumor for ages, but never seen any hard evidence.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

This is a bit off topic, so I will keep the response short on this thread. You're right. Essentially packets can take any route through the internet cloud, or ether. The choke points are with the service providers, and where they uplink.

I'm a security engineer, so I get paid to be paranoid. From a security perspective, it would be easier for an authorized individual to access data that they shouldn't, ie: A network engineer at Adelphia hooking up a sniffer (medium to long term capture) for network analysis like the NetVCR by Niksun. With the NetVCR, packets can be captured in a round-robin fashion until the buffer is filled. Depending on the packet rates on the wire, this could be anywhere from a day, to a month or more.

Technically, it is possible to do what I described in the other thread. It just has to be done at the right place. Typically the only individuals that know these locations are trusted individuals. Out of that group, there could be disgruntled or even untrustworthy people in the mix.

On a side note, Vonage already has disclosed to me that some cable companies are actually interfering with the Vonage Voip packets because they are coming up with their own Voip solutions to compete with them.

In a nutshell, the technology is new; User beware.
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

If anyone is that lacking in a life they need to listen in on my phone for amusement, they have my pity and my blessing. Wink
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