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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:53 am    Post subject: Bandwidth Saver - work behind another router? Reply with quote Back to top

anyone know if the bandwidth saver settings (on the features page of vonage.com) work if the phone router (linksys RT31P2) is behind another router (linksys BEFSR41)?

to make it more confusing, i've changed the phone router's IP to fit into my network scheme (192.168.1.x).
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

As far as I understand it, the bandwidth saver will not work if your telephone adapter is behind another router. In this case you are dealing with the QOS feature of the router.

I do not think the BEFSR41 firmware has QOS. You might want to check the Linksys web site and make sure you have the latest firmware for the BEFSR41. (That is a fairly 'mature' product and I don't think the firmware has been updated in quite some time.) If it does support QOS and you have an older version it would be worthwhile to upgrade to the newest firmware so you can use the QOS.

Other than that, you can purchase a newer router that can run firmware which supports QOS (such as the Linksys WRT54G/GS), or put your telephone adapter between your cable or dsl modem and your linksys router. That prevents you from connecting to VPN servers from your PC(s), but if you have no need for that, it is your best solution.

The IP address issue you bring up is insignificant.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

All the bandwidth saver does is tell the device how much Kbps to use, 30, 50, or 90.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

When I first had problems with my Motorola TA sitting in front of my own router (preventing me from reaching VPN servers), a Vonage CS rep told me that I could use the 'alternate' setup with my own router ahead of the Motorola, but he warned me that I would lose the bandwidth saver functionality.

What you are implying (if I read your post correctly) is that the placement of the TA has nothing to do with bandwidth saver. Is this correct?

Perhaps you could help explain what the bandwidth saver has to do with the *99 dialing prefix. Perhaps I was misled on that subject too.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Whoever you spoke to doesnt know what they were talking about, BW saver and QoS (quality of service) have nothing to do with each other.

BW saver tells the device how many kbps of BANDWIDTH to use (from your internet connection, however you have it setup)

What they meant was that if you put your MTA behind some other router (aka netgear) and have 2 pc's connected to the nbetgear. And you talking and downloading at same time, it doesnt prioritize traffic to and from the MTA first.

Hope that cleared up some confusion.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

so then - the answer is this, right?
i can't use the bandwidth server feature if i have the RT31P2 behind the BEFSR41. and, since the BEFSR41 doesn't have QoS i can't tweak that way either.

my speeds are pretty good (10,000 down/800 up) so i'm not too worried, just trying to understand it all.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

no, the bandwidth saver simply uses different codecs which use different encoding rates which send different sized packets depending on your selection. I'm not sure where the confusion is here. it says right on the page what bandwidth is needed for which codec. this is the size of packet it sends. it just sends it. just like it sends packets when you request a website. they are sent right through whatever is in their way (routers, etc). perhaps Vonage explains it so you can understand it:
http://vonage.com/features.php?feature=bandwidth_saver
qos is completely different and is affected by router/adaptor placement.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

yeah, i understand that the BW deals with the packet size. i also understand QoS is not the same thing. i was just trying to figure out where the BW did it's stuff, from vonage's side or mine.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Perhaps this will help.

The Bandwidth Server setting at the Vonage website will instruct your phone adaptor (RT312P2/PAP2/etc.) which codec to use and this dictates how much bandwith your phone adaptor needs. Period.

QoS is done by you in your network to "clear the path" for your phone adaptor to work well. If your Vonage setting is for 90kbps then you will want to make sure that your adaptor will get a dedicated 90kpbs with minimum latency when calls are happening. This is QoS. (Quality of Service)

In my setup I am using my RT31P2 as a phone adaptor. I have nothing plugged in to the ethernet ports on my RT31P2. In this degenerate mode of use it is essentially a PAP2. Messing with the QoS settings on my RT31P2 has NO EFFECT ON ANYTHING. That point in the network has nothing to do with traffic control. My RT31P2 in turn is connected to an 8 port switch which in turn is connected to a Linux box which acts as my router. I configure QoS on the router software running on my Linux box. This is where the traffic comes together and needs to be instructed to play nice.

Once again QoS settings in your local network, wherever they may be, do not "tell" your adaptor how fast to run. They simply clear the path.

*99 is a per-call override of your adaptor bandwidth setting. It will force your bandwidth to 90kbps and will force your packetization to 10ms. I use this as part of my preamble for sending FAXes which need all that Vonage has to offer to work consistently. I have my Bandwidth setting at 50kbps.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

awesome, thanx vtex, that nails it.

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