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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:39 pm    Post subject: Using the eth ports on the RT31P2 as a "hub"? Reply with quote Back to top

Hi,

My Vonage setup works:

Cable modem
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Linux router/NAT
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hub
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| |___ several PCs
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RT31P2
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(nothing)

First is my cable modem, then a linux box acting as a router and firewall, then a hub, into which everything else is plugged: PCs and the RT31P2. To make the RT31P2 work, I have my router/firewall setup forward ports from the Linux router to the RT31P2.

Now I'd like to plug another laptop into the RT31P2 (into the "nothing" in my diagram), and have it act as if it were "with" the other PCs, that is, access the Internet via NAT as well as the other PCs on the LAN.

Is there a way to make the RT31P2 just "pass through" a device? I assumed that the DMZ feature would allow me to do this - that it would just expose a device to what the RT31P2 would consider the "WAN", but what is actually my internal network.

My reason for doing this is geographical - I don't want to run yet another long CAT5 line through my house - it would be handy to "piggy-back" something off of the RT31P2...and if I could somehow manage to make use of all three of the free ports on the RT31P2, it would be like having a small, second hub, no?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You sound tech savvy, so here we go.

You can use the RT as a switch, however, then it wont yield a dialtoine as it needs connectivity through the WAN port. And you can also use RIP for static routes throught the 3 ethernet ports on the RT if you know what your doing. Setting a PC as the DMZ host will do nothing but let all I/O traffic through to that specific IP.

Why dont you just remove the hub and use the RT, and just disable DHCP?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have my Voip router plugged into a switch (which is connected to my WiFi router) through the WAN port. Without any disabling of NAT or anything, I have full access to my LAN including network shares. It isn't super fast (the WAN port seems limited to 10 Mbps) but it works. I could go static IP and disable DHCP but then I wouldn't be able to easily plug the Voip box into other networks, so I've left it alone.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

enigma, tech-savvy yes, networking savvy, not really Wink enough to get by...

I can't "lose the dialtone", because then I assume I would lose my phone ability, right?

I'm not sure what static RIP routes are - I saw those options in the config of course, but I wouldn't know how to use them to do anything useful.

I can't use the vonage-router first, because it only has three ethernet ports and I have 6 and often more devices on my LAN. I realize I could plug the hub into the vonage-router, but I'm not sure how port-forwarding would work - I take it I would have to use double-port-forwarding then? Once from the linux router to the Vonage router, and then again to the destination pc - for those apps like bittorrent that don't work behind firewalls?

I thought the DMZ deal would basically turn the Vonage router into just a pass-through of some sort for one ethernet port, but it doesn't seem to expose internal to external, so I'm a bit confused just what use it has. I assume that if I used the vonage-router as my main firewall/router, that it would need to expose the internal ip to the outside, the Internet in that case, otherwise it would be pointless, lol. So why it doesn't expose it in this case is beyond me...rather, perhaps I don't get how it's presented to the external network - what ip would it have, for example? Certainly not the same ip as the router? I assumed that its internal ip would be presented externaly - that the dmz deal would forward everything from outside to in, basically just as if it were not behind anything at all.

I'm not using DHCP, btw.

PhotoJim, do you have any device plugged into your Voip router? If so, can that device get through that router and into your internal network? The vonage-router itself has access to my LAN - rather, I can ping it, etc., and it can see and use my gateway and so forth...I just can't seem to get anything behind my Voip router to see my internal network. The router itself simply makes an internal-internal network of just two nodes - that device and the router itself. For example, the laptop which I have connected to the vonage-router can access the config interface to the router using the router's internal ip, and I can ping it as well - but that's all I can ping Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

[quote="dahlekPhotoJim, do you have any device plugged into your Voip router? If so, can that device get through that router and into your internal network? The vonage-router itself has access to my LAN - rather, I can ping it, etc., and it can see and use my gateway and so forth...I just can't seem to get anything behind my Voip router to see my internal network. The router itself simply makes an internal-internal network of just two nodes - that device and the router itself. For example, the laptop which I have connected to the vonage-router can access the config interface to the router using the router's internal ip, and I can ping it as well - but that's all I can ping Wink[/quote]

Here is my config... ignoring the extraneous stuff that's irrelevant:

Cablemodem <-> WiFi router <-> 16-port switch <-> Voip router <-> computer

(No critiquing of my setup Smile ... I plug a computer into the Voip router because I only have one piece of cable going into the living room and I don't want to introduce another switch because it adds latency.)

The Voip router is connected to my switch via its WAN port. The computer is connected to one of the three LAN ports. My LAN is 192.168.2.*; the Voip router has a 192.168.2.* address on the WAN port and a local address of 192.168.15.1 (the factory default).

Without changing any of the default configuration settings, the computer hooked up through the Voip router can ssh, ftp and SMB fileshare with my server, which is on the same switch as the WAN port of the Voip router is. In other words, there is a firewall (in the Voip router) between my computer and the LAN, but things work anyway.

My server thinks that that computer has the same IP address as the Voip router does on my LAN (192.168.2.whatever) because of NAT, but that doesn't seem to impede function.

The only problem I note is speed. It takes a long time to move large amounts of data over the network behind the Voip router, probably because the WAN port only runs at 10Base T speeds instead of 100BaseTX.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:52 am    Post subject: How can I hook up a second computer using the RT31P2 router? Reply with quote Back to top

I have been doing research on what I need to network my two computers.

Background~Main computer, cable modem, then RT31P2 everything works great, have a second computer in same room that I want to hook up to our internet (I homeschool my 2 kids and it would help having a second connection). I can do most basic stuff, but I admit I am getting lost in all of this techy stuff.

In layman's terms can anyone explain what I would need to hook up the second computer? The second computer does not have an ethernet port, can I use an usb 2.0 adapter?

Thanks so much for all your help!

Side question can the cable modem do 2 computers one with the ethernet (main) and one with the usb (2nd) if we call the cable company and add a second computer?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Here is my config.


Cable Modem
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Linux Router
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Switch with PC's and Asterisk PBX
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RT31P2

What I did was take a cable from the WAN/INTERNET port of the RT31P2 and plug it into the port 1 on the RT31P2 and then from port 2 on the RT31P2 to my switch and I even get a dial tone,

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:09 pm    Post subject: Tommy13v? Reply with quote Back to top

Ok, I bought a 5-port Linksys workgroup hub, so my config would be this?

internet
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modem
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RT31P2
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HUB? then out from hub to second computer and use the usb 2.0 network adapter???
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Ok, I bought a 5-port Linksys workgroup hub, so my config would be this?

internet
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modem
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RT31P2
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HUB? then out from hub to second computer and use the usb 2.0 network adapter???


Yes, that will work but you will need a crossover cable or if the hub has an uplink port and plug that from your new hub into the RT31P2 to connect them together.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ok, the wired hub says it has a built in shared uplink port, so I would just plug an ethernet cord into the RT31P2 where it says ethernet 2, then plug the other into the router port on the hub then run another ethernet cord from where it shows to run for a desktop to my second desktop.

Does that sound correct? What do I need to do to my main computer software wise, just run the network wizard? I have Win xp on main and win me on second? Do you see a potential problem?

I am sorry to sound dumb about all this, my computer knowledge is all self taught and this here is just a little above my head!
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