Voice Admin Page on RT31P2 Router

Posts: 4 · New Forum Member Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Posts: 4

Trowski wrote:

Hmmmm....

2.6 Use of Service and Device by Customers Outside the United States. Although we encourage you to use of the Service to place calls to foreign countries from within the United States, we do not presently offer or support the Service in any countries other than the United States and Canada. If you use the Service or the Device outside of the United States or Canada, you will be solely responsible for any violations of local laws and regulations resulting from such use. We reserve the right to terminate your Service immediately if we determine, in our sole and absolute discretion, that you have used the Service or the Device outside of the United States or Canada.

This forum is just chock full of amateur attorneys, isn't it?

This is precisely why Vonage will never make it. The attitude of this board reflect the corporate customer attitude of Vonage. The spoils in the Voip war will go to the companies that realize that the customer's monthly payments keep the lights on. Certainly not the companies with the ostrich approach of keeping their heads buried in the sand.

Vonage: spend less time and money trying to get more (new) customers and spend a little bit of time and research on customer retention, and developing loyalty through service.

Posts: 292 · Vonage Forum Master Joined: Oct 08, 2004 Posts: 292

Dave2007 wrote:

This forum is just chock full of amateur attorneys, isn't it?

...The attitude of this board reflect the corporate customer attitude of Vonage...

Well, well, I could not have written a better text book definition of generalization if I tried.

You my friend Dave2007 are either blind or can not read.

Posts: 646 · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:50 pm Post subject:

Are you guys actually against Dave's right to hack his own hardware? Vonage doesn't have to help people unlock their devices, but if Dave wants to figure it out on his own and share the info with everyone, then more power to him.

Posts: 1715 · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:20 pm Post subject:

Hacking done for hacking sake is one thing, and something I enjoy doing and support... BUT, Dave's attitude sours me against helping him in any way, shape, or form.

Posts: 646 · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:35 pm Post subject:

From the looks of it, he didn't come to ask for your help... he came to tell people that he was going to try and solve the infamous locked router problem.

I theorize that unlocking a router will kick it off the Vonage network. If that turns out to be the case, then there won't be any risk to Vonage if he succeeds. That is, assuming the're not selling the PAP2s at a loss, which would be pretty stupid.

Posts: 1715 · Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:05 am Post subject:

I'm not sure when someone would want to mess around with the PAP2 when the Sipura units (same basic unit) can be had for less than what the PAP2s are selling for retail.....and the Sipura units come with full support and plenty of 3rd party toys for them. I don't view the locked routers to be a "problem", as they're doing exactly what they were designed to do.

Posts: 646 · Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:45 am Post subject:

From what I've read, I think the PAP2 is mostly a repackaged Sipura SPA-2000. A quick froogle search shows that those cost $70 or more. PAP2s are much cheaper.

And, yes, the PAP2 does exactly what it was designed to do, but why stop there when you can make it do more?

Posts: 1389 · Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:22 am Post subject:

Have not had my first cup of coffee yet...
If he wants to crack his pap2 for his own use, then great, go nuts etc. But the attitude of "I will post it all over the internet for everyone" is where my issue starts to come into play. If that does happpen, and say it is suvccessful, although most likely Vonage will detect it and boot him off, then there is a bigger issue. Now Vonage has to take a good cunchk of time away from requested upgrades etc and new enhancements to get the patches done that should not have been an issue in the first place. That extra time, money eventually gets passed on to the consumer.

With all of these issues etc that have come up with routers being locked to Vonage, and most come from pretty experienced people, the Sipura seems like a much better product for more experienced people that want alot more customization.

Picture someone who is a fairly experiences in say, cars, not buying a powerful enough automobile...They wanted a higherend model of car, but bought the lower end becuase it was cheaper. Can you get that Civic up to 200+ hoursepower? Sure but you will need work arounds etc. And for all the time spent complaining to Honda that Civics don't have superchargers, when they could have either bought the better car and be satisfied from day one, or just spent the energy on laywers, classaction suits, trying to get Honda to make a very powerful Civic, it just wont happen.

So, hack all you want, if you get it to work, more power to you...Just don't then complain that you can't connect to the Vonage network, as you were forewarned...And I would hate to see my bil increase due to extra development time fending off pissed off Vonage Subscribers.

Posts: 91 · Vonage Forum Senior Joined: Mar 08, 2005 Posts: 91

Dave2007 wrote 25Jul05:

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If the password is not forthcoming on this forum, then I will have no choice but to reverse engineer the device - which by the way is EXTREMELY LEGAL - I have signed nothing agreeing to not do that. Once I have had to spend my time to do this, I will post the password ALL OVER THE INTERNET

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Is he ranting on empty?

Tsk Tsk

Is he a reincarnation of the starter of this thread, jzacuto?

Posts: 16 · Vonage Forum Associate Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Posts: 16

jzacuto Dave2007 any reverse engineering is illegal.

Just because you buy two phone ports does not mean you can use two ports.

If you haven't forgot you are using Vonage and all linksys phone ports are using Vonage. You have to pay, and get authorization to use the 2 ports. If anyone is illegally getting all ports working I think thats considered piracy, and maybe against the FCC code. Don't get yourself into trouble jzacuto, or Dave2007 or you could be arrested, and your router confisicated. If you really want two phone ports to work tell Vonage you want the 2 port service cause Hacking, pirating, or terminating TOS is not a good way to get what you want.

Also it is not illegal for Vonage to refuse to give you the password for that secret page.

Also what does going into the secret Vonage router settings got to do with you not owning it. You do own it if Vonage lets you keep it, you can have internet, you can have a firewall, you have so many options to change in the router so if you own it you own it. The Vonage only settings are for Vonage only and if a Vonage customer got into those settings then that can conpromise vonages security, and service. Dave, and jzacuto you don't know what your messing with. They do say curiosity killed the cat.