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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:20 am    Post subject: set up home web server behind MTA with static IP Reply with quote Back to top

Hi everyone.

I need help configuring my home web server (WinXP) to work with my new static IP address and my old Vonage Motorola TA. If I take the MTA out of the loop (disconnect completely), my web server is visible to the world. Here's my physical connection:

DSL modem (by Broadmax) -> WAN connection to
Motorola Telephone Adapter (MTA) ->
WAN connection of MTA to Internet connection of Linksys router
PC connection of MTA to empty port on same Linksys router.

The MTA has 5 connections:
a) power, b) phone #1, c) phone #2, d) WAN, e) PC

So connector (d) goes to the Internet connector on the Linksys, and connector (e) goes to an open port on the same router.

I have the MTA set up with my static IP, DNS, etc. and all computers can get online just fine. The Linksys is set for dynamic IP since it's behind the MTA (which is acting as a router).

I've tried many combos of addresses & DNS for my web server but at the moment it's set to:

IP addr: 192.168.1.20
mask: 255.255.255.0
gateway: 192.168.1.1 (which is addr of Linksys router)
DNS #1: 192.168.1.1
DNS #2: <nothing>

I have port forwarding disabled on the MTA and port 80 forwarded on the Linksys for address 192.168.1.20. This setup doesn't work of course but I've tried so many combinations.

When it did work, I removed the MTA, set the Linksys to my static IP, set the web server to 192.168.1.20 (same as it it now), forward port 80 for this address and ta-dahh it works great.

I was told by Vonage to put the MTA in front of the router but now I'm not so sure. Actually I'm open for any suggestion as I've tried so many combinations I'm dizzy. Embarassed

The Vonage tech I'm working with told me to disable port forwarding on the MTA, enable it on the Linksys (which means I have to set my web server to an address on its range which I did above, right) and that it's ok to have DHCP enabled on both routers. I've always thought otherwise, but what do I know Surprised

(The Linksys is a simple 4-port wired router, model NR041 which is actually by Network Everywhere but has a Linksys name plate and is supported by Linksys.)

Any suggestions where I should go from here? Question Idea

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: set up home web server behind MTA with static IP Reply with quote Back to top

debdeb wrote:
I have port forwarding disabled on the MTA and port 80 forwarded on the Linksys for address 192.168.1.20. This setup doesn't work of course but I've tried so many combinations.

of course, since the the mta is first, it's denying the request.
the motorola is a piece of junk when it comes to anything besides having one computer connected to it, which is what it was designed for (so really maybe it's not junk but it's just being used beyond its limitations). at any rate, just put your linksys first (after modem) and have the mta plugged into a port on the linksys. it looks like you have enough ports open on the linksys for that.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have the Moto 5100 which goes to my Wan port on my Linksys WRT54G. I have my PAP2 going into LAN Port 2, My server into LAN Port 1, PS2 in LAN Port 3 and KIDS PC in LAN Port 4.

I have my server running Serv-U ftp server. Im using Dynamic DNS so I never need to remember an IP. Make sure you have NAT enabled and the port forwarded to IIS.

Post your site for external tests if you want.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: set up home web server behind MTA with static IP Reply with quote Back to top

reebok wrote:
[... just put your linksys first (after modem) and have the mta plugged into a port on the linksys. it looks like you have enough ports open on the linksys for that.


Thanks for the input. I put the MTA in front because the install instructions for use w/a router had it set up that way. I tried doing what you suggest and think that I need some other box (like the PAP2 another poster suggtested). I say this because with the MTA behind the Linksys, I have nothing to plug into the WAN port of the MTA. Does the PAP2 let me 'share' the WAN port between the router and the MTA?

DSL modem -> WAN port to Linksys Internet port ->
Linksys port 1 to PC port on MTA (is this correct?)
Linksys port 2-4 other stuff

I have the Linksys set for my static IP, I forwarded port 80 for my web server (and gave it 192.168.1.20 as its address).

My MTA never syncs up with Vonage unless I have the WAN port connected. I tried connecting the WAN port to one of the open Linksys ports but that didn't work either.

As to the 'quality' of the MTA I probably have to agree, but ever since I went to static IP with my DSL connection, I was never able to get the Linksys RT31P2 to work (even after many hours on the phone with Vonage). I ended up returning it and going back to the MTA.

So where am I going wrong? I'm obviously confused. Embarassed

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:12 am    Post subject: re: setup home web server Reply with quote Back to top

spepi wrote:
.... Im using Dynamic DNS so I never need to remember an IP. Make sure you have NAT enabled and the port forwarded to IIS.


WOW I wish I knew you a month ago as I wouldn't of had such a horrid time with Vonage. I used to have a dynamic IP with my DSL provider but I was never able to get www.dynDNS.org to work for me. Confused After doing lots of research, it still failed to work and I gave up. I then switched to static IP and it works of course (but now I have another Vonage problem). Actually I'd still like to know what I did wrong such that I could never get DDNS to work for me. I had such high hopes but I just never could figure it out.

As I mentioned to the other person who responded to my plea, what does the PAP2 do for me? If I put the MTA behind the router, I can't connect its WAN port (since the WAN is connected to the router's Internet port). Would I connect the PAP2 to one of the empty Linksys ports and then plug the other end of it into the WAN port on the MTA? It sounds like that would let two devices 'share' the WAN port. Is that the purpose of the PAP2? I read about it on Amazon.com but I'm still not clear on what I'd need it for.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hi DebDeb..not sure if I can help...but here goes.....


The PAP2 is a phone adapter for Vonage. You already have the MTA correct? So the PAP2 wouldnt help you.
This is the setup you should follow

ISP---> Wan port on Linksys Router--->
MTA to Vacant Port on Linksys - Lets say Port1
PC to vacant Port on Linksys - Lets say Port 2

This leaves 2 ports vacant right?

Plug a phone into the phone port of the MTA..you should have a dial tone.

For you to access your web server, you need to know the external IP address so it knows to go to 192.168.1.20. This is where NAT comes into play.

So when your on the outside, you should be able to go to http://68.24.24.234/index.htm (example only)

What moddel Linksys do you have? Depending on the model, you could update the firmware to get more out of it.

I have the Wrt54g using Sveasofts last release V6xxxxx. I can set my PAP2, Server, etc to have static ips based on Mac address, Hostname and IP of my choice.

Hope this helps you.

feel free to PM me if you would like.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

spepi wrote:
ISP---> Wan port on Linksys Router--->
MTA to Vacant Port on Linksys - Lets say Port1
PC to vacant Port on Linksys - Lets say Port 2


I think I did this but since now there is no WAN connection for the MTA, it never synced up with Vonage (no steady green light, just flashing). That's why I thought I needed to also connect the WAN to the MTA as well as the router (splitting the connection somehow).

The MTA has two ports, WAN and PC. Are you saying to connect one of the Linksys ports to the PC port or the WAN port of the MTA? I tried both ways but maybe I didn't wait long enough for it to sync. I'll try again when I get off work.

Thanks for the offer for PM, I may do that to learn who I couldn't get my dynamic IP addr to work with the www.dynDNS.org service. I still use that sevice now to give a name to my static IP address for the web server.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

when you get home, look at it this way.

DSL line coming in the house...you want this to go to the WAN port on the router....giving the router the role of being the DHCP server.

Connect the MTA Lan to port 1 on the Linksys (I would think PC port means LAN...Im not too familiar with the MTA you have)
Connect your PC to port 2 on the Linksys

As long as you canget out to the web on your PC, you should have no problems getting a dial tone.

I would be curious to actually see what the hardware looks like.
I will PM you and maybe you can send pics to my ftp...I will send the address to you

Now, the MTA has a phone port correct? Plug a phone into this port.
Reboot all devices
Start in order of connection
Wait 1 min before turning back on.

1. DSL modem
2. Linksys Router
3. MTA

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

spepi wrote:
....Connect the MTA Lan to port 1 on the Linksys (I would think PC port means LAN...I'm not too familiar with the MTA you have. Connect your PC to port 2 on the Linksys

As long as you can get out to the web on your PC, you should have no problems getting a dial tone.


I got it working finally. THANK YOU VERY MUCH Smile Smile

The setup is:
DSL modem -> Linksys WAN port (router set to my static IP)
Linksys port 1 -> WAN port of MTA (set as dynamic)
Linksys port 2,3,4-> other PCs, network printer

When I put Linksys port 1 into the PC port of the MTA it didn't work, no dial tone and the MTA wouldn't sync up with Vonage (there is a series of flashing lights that it goes through and each flash pattern means something different). I finally got the steady green light and was able call as usual. HURRAH!

My web server is at http://circuitm.homeip.net (can you see it?) Right now I'm connect to the Internet via a VPN connection which goes through my employer's site. I know that if I can see the web server from the VPN connection, it's got to work for others too.

The name above is what I get from my account on www.dynDNS.org. I use Abyss web server (free, very easy to setup, has lots of features) instead of IIS. Actually, I only use this server to host one page of my husband's hosted web site (for his home-based company). There is special software that this server runs that we couldn't load on the hosted (and shared) web server so I had to set up a personal web server for that one page. His site has one link that points to http://circuitm.homeip.net and that then allows the user to run software that demos sample apps he wrote using LabView (from National Instruments, www.ni.com).

I only use the Abyss web server as a test for now (which is why I didn't want to bother with IIS - overkill for me). The real purpose is the built-in web server for the LabView software which we have. Now that I know Abyss is visible to the world, I can shut it down and fire up the LabView web server and just leave the PC running.

One port on my Linksys died so I ordered an 8 port version since I like having 1-2 extra ports. I need 1 port for the MTA, 1 for a network printer, 1 for my web server, and 3 others for various PCs.

You asked for some photos of the MTA and my setup so I'll put them on your FTP site. I have a digital camera so will take some in the next 1-2 days.

Even though this is all working, I'd still like to know what I did wrong such that I couldn't get dynDNS.org working when I had a dynamic IP address from my ISP. I read through all the FAQs on their site and other sites and still I must of messed up somewhere because I could never get it to work. I even had that freePing.exe thing that other DDNS sites mentioned to keep the address stable (keep it from being re-assigned due to inactivity). I'd *almost* be willing to revert back to a dynamic IP to see how it all works BUT it's been since March 9 that my Vonage + static IP problems started so I'm not about to kick myelf any more than I already have. It works, don't *fix* it again, ya know? Lol Today is the first day that everything works. Exclamation Exclamation I can finally resume normal life....

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Great news...not sure how much I helped...but you would of figured it out. Dyndns should be a feature you can set in your linksys. I have my dyndns setup in mine. I have never tried setting up a website with dyndns, but Im sure its possible.
Maybe something for me to try...I have a website for my kids. I use my ISP webspace to hold it and redirect my domain name to the url.
I could try dyndns and forward th edomain to that...hmmmm...something to think about...my wife thinks Im such a geek...but I like doing this stuff. I do it as a living and she thinks 8 hours a day of system administration is enough...but I like to play around with my own projects when I get home.
You never did tell me which Linksys you have....you can update the firmaware if you have one that fits the specs and get much more out of it.

I can see the site...Hello from Abyss Webserver.

well, glad your working....keep up the good work and use this forum as much as you can before calling Vonage tech support..unless you have to...there is tons of real life issues and fixes.

bye for now.

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