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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:15 pm    Post subject: am radio interference Reply with quote Back to top

Ever since I switched over to Vonage, I've been having a problem with am radio interference. Any time I talk on the phone during the day I hear an AM radio station (760). I've narrowed the source of the radio interference down to the actual phone wires in my walls. To do this I conducted this experiment: I connected the Vonage router output directly to a phone, and experienced no radio interference. I then connected the Vonage router output directly to the phone wiring in my house (of course all phone lines outside my house are disconnected), and plugged the same phone into a different wall jack with no other phones connected. The radio interference reappeared. I don't believe there are any broadcasting towers nearby.

My house wiring has four twisted pairs (8 total wires). My Phone1 output of the Linksys router (RT31P2) is connected to the house phone wiring's pairs 1 and 2 (I'm not sure if pair 2 is driven by the Voip router). The router's Phone2 jack is unconnected. The house also has pairs 3 and 4, which are completely undriven.

My belief is that the problem is due to pairs 3 and 4 (and possibly 2) not being grounded. Before, the local phone company grounded those pairs. Now that they are not grounded, they would be an excellent antenna for receiving the AM radio station and inductively coupling the radio signal into pair 1 (the one I use for the phone). So it seems like if I grounded pairs 3 and 4 (and maybe 2), my problem should go away. Does anyone know of a way to do that? Or is a host of filters the only way to fix the problem?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Have you considered registering a complaint with the telephone company? After all, the wiring belongs to them. By law they must repair any circuitry of theirs that is interfering with someones elses device and causing that person to not be able to enjoy the use of another product.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I don't know about grounding the unused pair, but you could get something like this to filter out the interference.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Ouch! $25-27 plus shipping seems a bit steep. What about those ferrit rings that I have seen?
here is a link to a good article on am radio interferrenc
http://www.sncmfg.com/telecom/noise_protection/rid.html

In most houses these days the inside wiring is the homeowners responsibility and not telco

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Oh, I should have said it in my original message. That particular filter was just the top of google's list for AM Telephone filters. I am not making a specific recommendation.

Seattlezoid has a point, you may actually have gotten one in the past with an analog modem or even with your computer. Just a little snap on magnet type thing.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I did actually see that link. It's possible that I could filter out the noise. But from that very link you gave me it recommends:

"#1 !!! – Ground the spare pairs at the frame"

So... my big question is how do I do this? Where is "the frame", and do I have access to it?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

All the wires probably went to a telco box. There should be a ground wire there so just twist all the "unused" wires together and strap it to the ground wire.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Well, I don't have access to the telco side of the box. I just have access to my side, where I've disconnected the telco wires from my house. But I don't have access to anything else.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Somewhere the phone co connected their wires to your wires. At that "place" there should be a ground wire.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The phone company has half the box locked so only they can access it. Coming from them into my accessible half of the box are four wires. Two for your main phone line, and two for a potential second phone line. Inside my half of the box is a plug that allows me to plug in the telco's wires into my internal wiring. There is no ground on my side.
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