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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Yeah that was my point, although I'd probably opt for putting everything behind a single IP address...I can't imagine why they need four external IP addresses, but maybe they will explain it.


I can imagine they are each running a web server on their machine and want it to be available on port 80.

(I should add without having one web server transparently redirecting based upon URL.)

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I might consider giving up my static, but my roommates sure wouldn't Razz

Well that defeats the purpose of QoS. You have to have everything going through a single piece of hardware that has the ability to throttle bandwidth as needed in order for QoS to be of any benefit. If you've got other network connections in front of or parallel to the QoS device, then that device won't be able to manage or even monitor the current bandwidth usage (the total load on your DSL line), and without that awareness, QoS isn't able to do its job.

The only possible way you could use QoS and keep your statics would be to create some specific routing entries in your Vonage adapter that allow those static addresses to route through the gateway to the Internet. It can be done with high-end equipment, but I'm not sure about the RT31P2. There are people with more experience in that particular area than I have, so I'll defer to others on whether and how that could be accomplished.

For what it's worth, I tried running the RT31P2 in front of my network and my LAN performance was noticeably degraded. I bought a Linksys WRT54G (on sale at Staples this week for $49 after rebate, and they also have a 12%-off coupon this week) because the QoS in the WRT54G is much more robust and configurable. That now is the single source of DHCP, NAT and wireless for my network (as well as caching DNS), and the RT31P2 sits behind it. I've given the Vonage adapter the highest network QoS priority, and my newsgroups (NNTP) and FTP are set to the lowest (bulk) priority. Everything else is standard priority and so far it really works quite well.

Not that you want to spend an extra $49, but if it solves several problems for you and lets you start saving money on your phone bill, it may be money well spent.

BTW the Xbox is somewhat tricky to answer, because certain games are more bandwidth-hungry than others, and it also depends on how many players you have going. But you could also give your Xbox Live a higher priority so that it also gets a boost out of the QoS.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

scerruti wrote:
ToddlerTN wrote:

Yeah that was my point, although I'd probably opt for putting everything behind a single IP address...I can't imagine why they need four external IP addresses, but maybe they will explain it.


I can imagine they are each running a web server on their machine and want it to be available on port 80.

(I should add without having one web server transparently redirecting based upon URL.)

I wasn't trying to challenge someone to come up with a scenario, just observing that these particular three guys all living together playing Xbox and asking the kind of questions they're asking here are probably not hosting the kind of applications where four external IP addresses are a requirement.

And even if they were all running web servers on their own machines, there are other ways to do that over port 80 with a single Internet-facing IP address.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Zaxor wrote:
I might consider giving up my static, but my roommates sure wouldn't Razz

Well that defeats the purpose of QoS. You have to have everything going through a single piece of hardware that has the ability to throttle bandwidth as needed in order for QoS to be of any benefit. If you've got other network connections in front of or parallel to the QoS device, then that device won't be able to manage or even monitor the current bandwidth usage (the total load on your DSL line), and without that awareness, QoS isn't able to do its job.

The only possible way you could use QoS and keep your statics would be to create some specific routing entries in your Vonage adapter that allow those static addresses to route through the gateway to the Internet. It can be done with high-end equipment, but I'm not sure about the RT31P2. There are people with more experience in that particular area than I have, so I'll defer to others on whether and how that could be accomplished.

For what it's worth, I tried running the RT31P2 in front of my network and my LAN performance was noticeably degraded. I bought a Linksys WRT54G (on sale at Staples this week for $49 after rebate, and they also have a 12%-off coupon this week) because the QoS in the WRT54G is much more robust and configurable. That now is the single source of DHCP, NAT and wireless for my network (as well as caching DNS), and the RT31P2 sits behind it. I've given the Vonage adapter the highest network QoS priority, and my newsgroups (NNTP) and FTP are set to the lowest (bulk) priority. Everything else is standard priority and so far it really works quite well.

Not that you want to spend an extra $49, but if it solves several problems for you and lets you start saving money on your phone bill, it may be money well spent.

BTW the Xbox is somewhat tricky to answer, because certain games are more bandwidth-hungry than others, and it also depends on how many players you have going. But you could also give your Xbox Live a higher priority so that it also gets a boost out of the QoS.


We're PC gamers, not Xbox, so that's not a big deal.. I think it was another thread on the front page asking about Xbox.

I believe but I'm not sure that the WAP we've got is the Linksys WRT54g, and the primary switch I think is a netgear (not at home at the moment). Assuming I put the Voip behind the wireless router, what sort of performance hit should I expect on the voice traffic and what sort of overall bandwidth consumption?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Zaxor wrote:


We're PC gamers, not Xbox, so that's not a big deal.. I think it was another thread on the front page asking about Xbox.

I believe but I'm not sure that the WAP we've got is the Linksys WRT54g, and the primary switch I think is a netgear (not at home at the moment). Assuming I put the Voip behind the wireless router, what sort of performance hit should I expect on the voice traffic and what sort of overall bandwidth consumption?

Thanks again to everyone, this has been very helpful


I am not sure anyone could answer that question for your network. In theory moving the adapter in your network should have a negligable effect on your voice quality. In reality it is going to depend on the nature of the traffic in your network. That being said, your network should have many times the capacity of your Internet connection and so your Internet connection will probably be your choke point.

Broadband reports had a thread on bandwidth utilization for the three codecs used by Vonage. A voice stream uses between 87kbps and 31kbps depending on quality settings.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Zaxor wrote:
I believe but I'm not sure that the WAP we've got is the Linksys WRT54g, and the primary switch I think is a netgear (not at home at the moment). Assuming I put the Voip behind the wireless router, what sort of performance hit should I expect on the voice traffic and what sort of overall bandwidth consumption?

If your wireless router is the WRT54G then you are in luck, because that particular router has some awesome QoS functionality. There is also third-party firmware for that router which really opens it up, and I would highly suggest you take a look at that.

Connect the WRT54G into your DSL line, then plug the Vonage adapter into one LAN port and your Netgear switch into the second port. Plug all of your PCs into the Netgear and then configure the QoS to give SIP Premium Priority and also give the Vonage MAC address Premium Priority. In that configuration your Voip doesn't take any performance hit, and that's a stronger configuration than using the Vonage adapter as your network router...you really can't do much better. With 6/768 from SpeakEasy, you shouldn't have any problems at all with that setup.

PM me if you do have the WRT54G and want a link for the Sveasoft firmware.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:52 pm    Post subject: IP phone question Reply with quote Back to top

Which IP phones do you use? And are they plugged directly into the network?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:01 am    Post subject: Asterisk on the Mac Reply with quote Back to top

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Digium's x100P is listed as discontinued (although there are more than a few listed on eBay), in addition it is a PCI card and I am not sure that Mac OS drivers are available for it.


First, Digium's X100P never really was a Digium product. It is just a fax modem PCI card. Any fax modem PCI card with the Ambient MD3200 chipset on it will work with Asterisk and the Zaptel wcfxo driver. Digium just bought those in bulk and sold them as X100P. The modems are typically available for 8 USD or so. In other words, what you paid Digium for was mostly support.

However, the MD3200 chipset is being phased out. Intel acquired Ambient a few years ago and replaced the MD3200 chipset with a newer smaller version called the Intel 537 chipset. In principle, fax modem PCI cards with the Intel 537 chipset could also be used with Asterisk, but this requires some adjustments in the Zaptel wcfxo driver.

Zaptel drivers for MacOS X are in the works. The first driver should be released some time this month (April 2005). This driver will allow the internal modem of recent Macs (eg Mac Mini) to be used with Asterisk as a single line FXO port, that is to connect an analog phone line or a Vonage adapter.

A driver for the Intel 537 chipset is also planned afterwards. This means you will be able to use recent (i537 based) fax modem PCI cards with Asterisk under MacOS X. On Linux you cannot currently do this unless you hack the wcfxo driver and it would seem that Digium do not want to update the driver.

scerruti wrote:
Can you run PPCLinux on the Mac?


Yes you can. Actually it is called LinuxPPC. The most popular distribution for use with Asterisk on the Mac is Yellow Dog Linux from Terrasoft Solutions. Terrasoft originally sponsored Digium to port Asterisk to LinuxPPC.

For more info on all things Asterisk on the Mac you may want to join the Macintosh Asterisk Mailing List at

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ok I came over from Broadvoice because there service is going downhill and there support doesn't reply to my e-mails now. So Vonage gave me a deal so I switched. Here the thing I want to figure out how to use asterisk with my analog phones. Correct me if I'm wrong I can plug my asterisk box in my linksys adapter plug the phone line from linksys ata adapter in to my Digium Wildcard X100P and plug my phone with my phone into other port on my x100p card? I'm newbie to configure Voip with asterisk.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

you will need a phone adapter for your phone or an IP phone, you cant use the other port on the X100P card for an analog phone.

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