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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:14 pm    Post subject: A Different Idea Reply with quote Back to top

To throw another idea into the pot: Based on a recommendation I read elsewhere (sorry, don't have the URL), I have my system as follows:

Internet -> SB5100 -> RT31P2 -> DI-514 -> PC (wired), PC (wireless), TiVo (Wireless)

The RT31P2 has the DI-514 issued with a static IP, and the DI-514 has this as its static WAN IP address. The RT21P2 DHCP is turned off, all ports are forwarded to the DI-514 address, which is also in the DMZ. So everything passes straight through to the DI-514, but the QoS still works for the phone.

The DI-514 does all the DHCP and firewall stuff.

This configuration works well and seems to be stable. It should work for any router equivalent to the DI-514. However, I have not tried VPN or other kinds of tricky applications, and I am no network expert.

The only issue I am working on, is using an FTP server on my PC. In PASV mode it passes its IP address to the client, which the DI-514 (I think) changes to the DI-514 static WAN-side address, which is obviously not a my valid internet address. So the client is not able to connect back via the PASV port. This is not a show-stopper, but any suggestions on this issue are welcome.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:52 pm    Post subject: ToddlerTN's advice worked - here's some details... Reply with quote Back to top

Todder TN's post above got me going, there were a couple of things left out, primarily reassigning the IP address of the RT31P2 phone router. Here's my path to success in excruciating detail. I chose this configuration to be able to use the QoS (Quality of service) feature on the RT31P2. Hope its helpful. (Just made my first VIOP call moments ago!)

Equipment:
Linksys WRT54G Wireless Router (Hereafter the '54G)
Linksys RT31P2 Broadband Router with 2 Phone Ports ('P2)

Physical setup:
1. CableModem connected to P2's WAN Port.
2. One of P2's numbered LAN ports (1-3) connected to one of 54G's numbered (1-4) LAN ports.

Router Configuration:
1.Plug your computer's ethernet cable into one of P2's numbered ports, while you do the configuration. This gives you fewer hops to the Internet, so less chance of trouble.
2. Disable 54G's DHCP server under Basic Setup. (This is important. Otherwise wireless clients will see 54G as the gateway rather than P2. )
3. Set P2's IP address to 192.168.1.2 (The P2's factory default is 192.168.15.1, which is on a different subnet than the 54G's factory default IP address of 192.168.1.1 and that can cause problems. An alternative is to work with the routing tables, but I did not have success with this approach). After you change P2's address you may have trouble connecting to it. You can solve this by renewing your IP address, because your current address is likely to be on the 192.168.15.0 subnet. (In Windows I believe you can use a utility called winipcfg. Start->Run->Type winipcfg. Select renew DHCP lease. Under Linux I used "/sbin/ifconfig eth0 down" followed by "/sbin/ifconfig eth0 up" and checked my ip address(es) with "/sbin/ifconfig". Rebooting would also do the trick.)
4. Leave 54G's IP address at the default 192.168.1.1.
5. Plug your computer into the 54G and test your connection.
6.Test your wireless clients. They may need a reboot for DHCP reasons.

Troubleshooting tip on rebooting equipment.
If your P2 does not have its IP address from your ISP (as seen by looking at Status->Router and seeing 0.0.0.0 rather than a real IP address), unplug power from your routers, then your cable modem. Turn on your cable modem. Wait for four green lights. Turn on the P2. Wait for lights to stop changing. Turn on 54G.


Thanks Todder TN!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Glad to have helped you. Also thanks for adding the detail that no one else wanted to take the time to do.

Want to know what's funny, though? I went out and bought a WRT54G, loaded it with Sveasoft Alchemy-pre7a v3.37.6.8sv and now I have the WRT54G in front of the RT31P2 (mimicing the setup that AspectTec and kenn10 rave about). Everything was working in the other setup, but I see the advantage in their configuration now that I have it running. It didn't do anything to improve my phone calls, thought.

And I'm hoping AspectTec or kenn10 can help me with this, since I'm new to the Sveasoft thing...are they going to add a UPnP Forwarding tab to the router config? My old BEFSR41 and even the RT31P2 both have a UPnP Forwarding tab. Is that planned for a future release?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Toddler, I didnt really notice the improvements at first. My wife seemed to pick up on the performance since she is a little more picky than I am.

However, Voip aside my network performance improved and runs more smoothly on the WRT. Another plus is that If my adapter has to be sent back I dont have to worry about not having a router.

what do you need the UPNP for?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

AspectTec wrote:
Voip aside my network performance improved and runs more smoothly on the WRT.

Yeah I agree, that was immediately noticeable.

AspectTec wrote:
what do you need the UPNP for?

I have several machines on my network that I like to be able to Remote Desktop into from work, vacation, etc. The UPnP Forwarding tab lets you specify forwarding rules with port redirects, and it's missing on the WRT.

For example, a simple port forwarding rule works for one machine using the default port (no need to specify 3389):

myalias.homeip.net ---> 192.168.1.89

But since all the machines use port 3389 for Remote Desktop, I need to be able to come in on other ports and redirect in order to get to multiple machines:

myalias.homeip.net:3388 ---> 192.168.1.88:3389
myalias.homeip.net:3383 ---> 192.168.1.83:3389
myalias.homeip.net:3381 ---> 192.168.1.81:3389

Now even though the configuration tab isn't listed, I can still configure UPnP on the WRT by going to Network Connections, right-clicking Internet Gateway and then modifying the settings that way. Add an entry, specify the external port, specify the internal ip and the internal port...the only problem with configuring the WRT that way is the UPnP forwarding rules don't stick after a router reset.

It's not the end of the world, but it's kind of a pain.

Hope that made sense.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have UPNP on RC6a, its under administration>management and there is an option to enable or disable.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

AspectTec wrote:
I have UPNP on RC6a, its under administration>management and there is an option to enable or disable.

Yes but that's not at all the same as UPnP Forwarding. That UPnP setting allows UPnP applications to dynamically open routing on the server, as I explained can be done by using Windows XP to manage the Internet Gateway in Network Settings. But other routers like the RT31P2 have a dedicated UPnP Forwarding tab that works just like the Port Forwarding tab except you can also specify specific external and internal ports for routing, and unlike generic UPnP, those settings don't get wiped out after a reset of the router.

I found a post on another third-party firmware forum indicating that the UPnP Forwarding tab used to be in the version 2 Linksys firmware for the WRT54G but was apparently removed from later versions. The poster also hinted that he had been in touch with Linksys and that they indicated they're hoping to add it back in the next firmware release, and if they do then the poster said it would of course make its way into his third-party firmware for the WRT54G.

I really was just wondering if you had seen any mention of UPnP Forwarding over on the Sveasoft forums, since you obviously hang out there from time to time.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Here's a screenshot of the UPnP Forwarding configuration page from the RT31P2. Notice how I was forwarding external ports 3388, 3383 and 3381 to three different internal IP addresses on port 3389:

http://home.comcast.net/~meyerstk/UPnP.jpg

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, I see what you mean. Is there no good way to just do it with port range forwarding?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Nope but I can work around it. It's just the only thing that's missing for me from the WRT54G and I was hoping it was a popular request.

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