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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Regulation will mean the same price as any verizon, att or local carrier that has spent $$$'s on proprietary closed networks. Right?

mrkleen, see my post above. I think I answered your question pretty thoroughly.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

But don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not for government regulation. I declare that the FCC is completely, utterly inept - and is in fact hurting the public interest these days. I say that as a licensed amateur radio operator, and I really, really mean it.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I still think reglation will be cause for a much higher price than it is now, and the smaller that price gap, the less some of these hassles are worth.

I fully agree about comcast, depending on the price, I would say I'd probably join you in that one. But for now, we'll see how Vonage does
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Im for regulation. Yes, the government fees will make the overall price go up, but at the same time it will make for a much better service. Lets say for example youre looking at about $35 a month for the now $25 plan. Is that too much to pay for unlimited local and long distance 24/7? I dont see it going up more than that even WITH regulation due to the fact that Vonage doesnt own and lines in the ground. They own none of that other stuff that comes with a POTS line. Therefore speculating that even $35 for that plan would be over calculating IMO. I also used to work for a phone company, and I know how it all works. Regulation in this case would be a good thing here. Yes I agree that we pay the government enough money as it is (i have to pay them for taxes this year) but if Vonage really wants to be a powerhouse in the phone industry, then they need to get it together at the very least, and stop with these outages. Even land line companies rarely go down. Once a year tops? If that even. And yes ive had it happen and yes ive been reimbursed for it. (very little amount, but it was MY money due to MY service being out that I was paying for).

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

mrkleen wrote:
I may be wrong but, if the fed starts "regulating" Voip, what is the point to having it?

Regulation will mean the same price as any verizon, att or local carrier that has spent $$$'s on proprietary closed networks. Right? I would not have switched to something of a lesser quality for the same price, who would?

I don't know about anyone else but the reason I switched was because I was sick of the 80-90 dollar phone bills I was receiving for calling my parents and a couple friends that happen to be long distance for me.


No, not right.

Regulation means a certain standard for X thing must be achieved. PERIOD.

If VOIPs want to offer calling features and long distance free - they can STILL do that with regulation.

Regulation may mean the feds tell Vonage, for instance, to offer E911 service that works. Or if service keeps going down, to install a backup system.

That's it.

As far as taxes - you can have taxes totally seperate from regulation. All congress has to do is pass legislation mandating a tax on Voip. There would be no regulation, just a tax. Regulation and tax are two different things.
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As far as taxes - you can have taxes totally seperate from regulation. All congress has to do is pass legislation mandating a tax on Voip. There would be no regulation, just a tax. Regulation and tax are two different things.


Correct, but lets face it, they usually go hand in hand.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

It's really pretty simple.

If you don't like the service, don't buy it.

I would NEVER get Vonage for my business. I think you'd be nuts to. Unless, of course, phones didn't matter.

The government has their hands in enough of my business. I can't think of one single reason they should have their hands in this.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Regulation does not necessarily make things more expensive. In fact, if phone service hadn't been regulated long ago, how much more do you think you'd have been paying the telcos all those years when they had a monopoly?

And don't forget that many of those fees on your POTS bill are not going to the government at all. Every now and then you'll hear that the phone company has requested permission to increase this fee or that fee...those are "recovery fees" that get collected and returned back to the telcos to reimburse them for costs like stringing up miles of poles to the middle of nowhere.

And then there's the unions...enough said.

The reason POTS service costs customers more is primarily because it's more expensive to provide POTS, plain and simple.
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ToddlerTN wrote:
Regulation does not necessarily make things more expensive. In fact, if phone service hadn't been regulated long ago, how much more do you think you'd have been paying the telcos all those years when they had a monopoly?

And don't forget that many of those fees on your POTS bill are not going to the government at all. Every now and then you'll hear that the phone company has requested permission to increase this fee or that fee...those are "recovery fees" that get collected and returned back to the telcos to reimburse them for costs like stringing up miles of poles to the middle of nowhere.

The reason POTS service costs customers more is primarily because it's more expensive to provide POTS, plain and simple.


Correct. Most phone bills have an FCC charge of a few bucks, a recovery charge (EUCL or the like) for 8+, a PICC charge of @3.50, etc. So what will happen if it's regulated? Will Comcast now be able to charge Vonage per customer, which will be a pass through to me? What about the NPA/NXX hand-off? Can they now charge a PICC-like charge? What will be the quality issues? Will QOS regulation force a huge rate increase? Perhaps it will be accountable for outages, which will make Voip an unprofitable enterprise.

I'd prefer it remain unregulated for the time being, and if a person is unhappy with the product have them spend money for pots. I don't want to pay more because someone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
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Why in the name of God would you want big brother watching over you and Vonage? If you want the price of Voip to increase about $10 per month.. Go for it.

I for one don't want more government intrusion.

I also do not care for ANOTHER tax.
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