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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:56 pm    Post subject: Javier=G A Y Reply with quote Back to top

My landline service was $24.99/month just like Vonage. Regulatory fees and taxes made it >$32 a month. To me, that seems like an unacceptable percentage.
POTS has a higher uptime percentage than Voip, but that does not have to do with regulation, it has to do with the nature of the service, not to mention the fact that Voip is a newer technology. It's natural to assume that it would be less reliable than copper wires. The subject of the forum asks the question would regulation minimize situations like the recent outage, and there seems to be nothing so far to support that government regulation will affect service outages one way or the other. The regulation will come, but as to preventing service outages, I just don't see that happening.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Mike, (VitaminM)

Do you really think that POTS lines were as reliable as they were before they were regulated? They were not. Thats just it. Regulation, yes will raise the cost, but overall will help the service out.

And I cannot believe that a $7 difference was unacceptable to you. Lol But i do know you, so I guess it all makes sense. When you think about the features you get with Vonage vs. the Landline company, I see your point. But flat out $7 is nothing. I would def. pay an additional $7 (if thats what it was) for Vonage service if it was regulated to the point as POTS lines are on reliability.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

$7 is like 28% of $25. I just feel like that's a high percentage for fees on a service that's advertised to be sold at a specific rate. Everyone accepts it because it is normal, of course, but in a consumer driven market that does not have to be the case. As it is, Vonage adds on a 3% federal tax and a $1.50 regulatory fee. Packet8 does not charge a regulatory fee, but adds a fee if you want E911 service. I don't know about the other providers.

I feel it would be more appropriate to include any "regulatory fees" in the cost of the plan itself, rather than advertising a service at a specific price point and then adding mandatory fees to that. People get the wrong impression and think that these fees are charged by the regulatory agencies but they are not. For example, the regulatory fee used to be something like $0.35 per line throughout the telecommunications industry. When number portability was made mandatory by the government, and at no charge to the consumer, the phone companies had to cover the costs of offering number portability, and they did so by charging every customer an extra $1.15 per line. The LNP service is "free," but every customer is charged for it, whether they port or not.

But back to the subject of regulation/reliability, Javier, the official discussions of regulation that have been referenced in this thread do not touch upon the reliability of service in any way. If anyone has anything documenting a regulatory fee that is associated with improving reliability on landline service as Javier claims exists, I would be very interested in seeing it.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Furthermore, Voip will NEVER be regulated in such a way that it could match POTS in reliability because as I stated before, the nature of the service. Technically walking is more "reliable" than driving a car, but the convenience of owning a car outweighs the inconvenience of vehicle maintenance. Keep in mind also that the number one cause of reliability problems for Vonage customers is their internet connection. How is regulation of Voip going to afect that?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Like I stated before, Mike, my opinions as to why it should be regulated. The whole car thing is really just absurd in my opinion. Would you buy a broken down car to get around in? No. There are lemon laws in place to help you out with that.. whats that.... um i think its some sort (in one way/shape or form) of regulation dont ya think?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

SaltAquatics wrote:
Like I stated before, Mike, my opinions as to why it should be regulated. The whole car thing is really just absurd in my opinion. Would you buy a broken down car to get around in? No. There are lemon laws in place to help you out with that.. whats that.... um i think its some sort (in one way/shape or form) of regulation dont ya think?


Know, a lemon law is protection from making a capital purchase that is broken.

The question isn't why would I buy a broken down car to ride around in for less money, the question is why shouldn't I be able to? What if that's all I want to spend? As long as YOU aren't forced to buy that car, why would you care?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!
If regulation does indeed take place on Vonage and every other Voip company, then hey.... YOU DONT HAVE TO HAVE SERVICE WITH THEM! You can get a cell phone, landline, or hey, get some walkie talkies.... Rolling Eyes

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SaltAquatics wrote:
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!
If regulation does indeed take place on Vonage and every other Voip company, then hey.... YOU DONT HAVE TO HAVE SERVICE WITH THEM! You can get a cell phone, landline, or hey, get some walkie talkies.... Rolling Eyes


And most likely I will.

You realize how ridiculous the point you just tried to make is, don't you?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You might think its rediculous... the bad part of this for you is that its true.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have a question for the people who want regulation and are as happy as a flock of larks that it is coming. What sort of things do you foresee this regulating changing?
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