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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reverse Search/Tracing Vonage or Internet Phone Number Reply with quote Back to top

I'm new a this board, so please forgive me if this has already been posted. However I searched and did not come across the answer.

With Vonage, in theory once you subscribe you could plug your cable box into any working cable modem and it would work. And we're all subscribed through our home address, so that's what the company has for us where we subscribe to them through.

So that is there anyway (I'm not talking about emergency or 911) for someone to do a trace or internet phone reverse search to tell where we're calling from? As in if you take the Vonage box and take it across town to a friends house and plug it in and use it. Is there a way to tell where the call is coming from (physicial address)? Or look back and say "ok, on this date this call was made from 300 Spring Street, not your home address of 400 Maple Street?"

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

the only way to do this that I can think of, is if Vonage could look up what ip address the data was coming from, and then match it to a subscriber somewhere. this would be very involved and I don't even know if they log all of that. even so, no individual would/should be allowed to access that type of information. it would be something like the fbi/cia wanting you for some reason.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

No, no. (I posted originally but did not realize I had to put my member name in). What I'm talking about is the information for a PI as in there are currently many services online that for a fee will do a reverse search for a landline or cellphone. And tell where the calls originated from if the number is obtained. However with the Internet I know the calls go through packets or transfer that way, so it's different than a regular landline. I understand the Gov. can do anything they want and get anything.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

oh, ok, well a reverse lookup is a lot different than what you were saying. with Vonage, unless you choose it when you port your number, you won't be listed anywhere. with a Vonage assigned number, you also won't be listed. there are some difficult ways around it (if you want to be listed in say, directory assistance) but besides that, Vonage numbers generally won't be found in a reverse lookup.
I'm having a hard time understanding how/why you asked this question.
do you think a reverse lookup website knows where you're using your Vonage phone? it's simply a database that shows the address where a number is listed to, and oftentimes they're wrong anyway. that would be like I have call forwarding turned on, will the reverse lookup show the address and number where my call is being forwarded to?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

reebok wrote:
oh, ok, well a reverse lookup is a lot different than what you were saying. with Vonage, unless you choose it when you port your number, you won't be listed anywhere. with a Vonage assigned number, you also won't be listed. there are some difficult ways around it (if you want to be listed in say, directory assistance) but besides that, Vonage numbers generally won't be found in a reverse lookup.
I'm having a hard time understanding how/why you asked this question.
do you think a reverse lookup website knows where you're using your Vonage phone? it's simply a database that shows the address where a number is listed to, and oftentimes they're wrong anyway. that would be like I have call forwarding turned on, will the reverse lookup show the address and number where my call is being forwarded to?


Thanks. I ask as I work with a PI agency (insurance work) and the client has Vonage (number is assigned to), but the number cannot be found anywhere. We're 90% sure the address given theyr'e either not staying at or else never go outside. To sum it up, the number is a Net Phone one (Vonage), and we'd simply like to know if the calls come from actually originate from the residence given on the account or another (which we assume, but are not certain).
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

you won't be able to find that out.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

reebok wrote:
you won't be able to find that out.


I'm not trying to be a wiseguy, but why cannot this information be found?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

It can be found, it's just not easy at all. Assuming the user is in the US, and that they provided legitimate information to their ISP, you could get a court order for the ISP to turn over their records, like the RIAA is doing with music downloaders. Of course PIs have their own resource-gathering methods, and you could probably induce someone at the ISP to look up that information for you.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I see. Thank you for your help in this matter.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I wonder if you made a call from another Vonage phone if you could sniff the packets to determine the caller's IP. Then you could just go to the ISP for that IP and request (subpeona?) the information about the owner of the IP.

However, if I was attempting to hide my location I could use an open wireless network almost anywhere. The best you could get then was my general location city/neighborhood.

If I were smart enough I would route my calls through a network that disguised my origin IP and you couldn't find me without the resources of a large, well funded, government organization. But no one has ever accused me of being smart enough.
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