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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

That works becasue the client PCs can never get an address from the RT31P2 in that configuration. However, you are going through two NAT loops, and you will have trouble with things like port forwarding, Remote Assistance, receiving files via instant messenger clients, etc. If you don't care about those things, then your setup is fine.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I don't forward ports, don't use xp if that's what the remote assistance is supposed to be, but im file sending has always worked fine.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

What peeves me about this topic (using two routers) is that I get conflicting instructions from Vonage and D-Link on how to connect the two. D-Link says never use their WAN port when they're the 2nd router. Vonage says put the Linksys router 1st and connect via ethernet to the 2nd router's WAN port. So far, nothing I have done has improved the quality of my phone line. It's garbled a lot of the time. I'm going to set aside a couple of hours this evening to see if their techies can help me out.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

All, we have to use the WAN port of the Vonage router since it's hardware MAC address is what validates your phone call. If you look on the letter that came with the device you will see the MAC address listed.
It's like activating your credit card when they say you have to call from your home phone; their caller id tells them it is you.

The MAC address is unique to you so it authenticates the packets coming from the device. Knowing this you could take the Vonage router to a friend's house to make calls.

JMon54, you could try this to eliminate your ISP as causing the problem of garbled voice.
I had also set up a DLink wireless router for my mother and plugged the WAN port into my firewall, for initial setup, to obtain an (internal) IP address. Worked great. DLink Tech Support is probably just giving you the party line on how to hook it up.

With the limited drawing characters available here is my home network:

(acting as)
CblMdm->CiscoPIX(DHCP svr)->Vonage router using WAN port->phone
-> Linksys Wireless rtr using uplink port
configured with static IP
-> Wife's PC
-> My PC
Laptop obtains IP address from PIX via the Linksys wireless router.

The Vonage router config has not been changed since it was shipped to me. It arrives with the WAN port configured to obtain an IP address via DHCP so I was up in minutes.

Regarding the cabling, if you use the uplink port you can use a regular straight-thru cable. If you use any of the other ports on the DLink you will need to use a cross-over cable. Now if the DLink has auto-switching ports a straight-thru cable will work on either port. If you get a link light you should be good to go.

Good luck tonight.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Let's try the network diagram again as the formatting didn't stay so it looks confusing. Periods are acting as spaces. Maybe I need an html class. Smile

.............................(acting as)
CblMdm->CiscoPIX(DHCP svr)->Vonage router using WAN port->phone
...............................................-> Linksys Wireless rtr using uplink port
.................................................configured with static IP
.............................................-> Wife's PC
.............................................-> My PC
Laptop obtains IP address from PIX via the Linksys wireless router.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:19 am    Post subject: What am I missing? Reply with quote Back to top

After looking through this forum, I get the idea of connection for the Vonage router. However, I am missing something to access the Vonage router, as the router is pulling DHCP from my server. No cross-over cables are used or harmed in this setup. Very Happy

internet
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WAN on Cable modem
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Firewall (DHCP Server) - Vonage router (No DHCP)
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Switch - Internal Network (DHCP Server - DNS, etc)


If I use Vonage (WAN) to pull DHCP, I can no longer get to the Vonage router, but I get the internet light (meaning internet connection) and a phone light (meaning phone should work) but no telephone line.

When I use Vonage as above, I get acess to the Vonage router (on internal network IP I assigned), a dial tone (yeah!) without the phone light (boo), and dialing does not work since the internet connection is broken.

However, after some fiddling, er testing, I moved the cable BACK to the WAN port on the Vonage and then whola! Dial-tone AND outside dialing! However, I can no longer access the Vonage router via IP. I tried using the IP address listed in my server's DHCP pool, but I cannot connect to the router using that IP.

Will this work until the IP lease expires? Should I just move the cable back, setup a reservation for the Vonage Router and move along?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

What type of firewall are you using? Does it have more than one port, ala switch, that you can connect multiple cabled to?

If your firewall allows multiple inside connections plug a cable from it to the WAN port of the Vonage router. The WAN port is required as its hardware MAC address is registered with Vonage and linked to your phone number.

It will pull an IP address from your FW acting as your DHCP srever.

For the rest of the equipment I see you have a switch where you connect them to.

If your firewall only has the one inside port do this:
From the inside FW port connect it to your switch. Then connect the WAN Vonage router port to the switch. Connect your other equipment to other ports on the same switch. Yes, this will not allow you access to the internal network that the Vonage router provides but do you really need it?

Regarding the DHCP lease time that should not cause a problem at all. The Vonage router will request a renew at the expiration time and will receive it most likely the same IP address. Even if the address were to change it will not interfere with the path to the Internet and eventually Vonage.

If I am missing something please reply back.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:42 am    Post subject: Linksys all 'round Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for the quick post!

I left the model out. Embarassed I am using a Linksys FW\switch and the Vonage Linksys Router.

Something else I meant with my "fiddling" is that I powered the Phone Router a couple of times to force the IP pull by the Phone router. So, I believe the Phone roter has an IP from the FW, just I cannot access the web-page Admin in this configuration.

So, I have the Phone Router hung off the FW\switch (from the FW\switch to the WAN port of the Phone Router).
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You can still access the Vonage admin page but you will need to move the patch cord connected to your PC from the main Linksys FW switch to an internal port on the Vonage router.

After you do that, release and renew your IP address (in XP choose repair on the network connection page in Control Panel) and you will obtain an address from the Vonage router.

Of course you can't do much as Vonage keeps their settings hidden behind their own password. You should be able to see if it did pull an IP address from the Linksys FW for the WAN port.

When my Vonage router arrived I connected the WAN port to an internal port on my firewall and connected my PC to one of it's internal ports. It has DHCP enabled by default.

I checked a few of the screens to see if the WAN port was set to "obtain an IP address automatically" (it was and it did), but didn't even change the timezone setting. I disconnected from it and haven't looked at it since.

I treat the Vonage router more like a phone adapter; plug it in and forget it's there as long as my phone service works.

Off the soapbox now and back to your situation.
With a cable from your FW connected to the WAN port of the Vonage router, does your phone service work? That's my untimate concern here.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 12:50 pm    Post subject: Phone line working okay Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for the info CCNADog - You are exactly correct. If I take the cable from the Phone Router WAN port to the switch, I am all golden. I figured "if it works, then let it run". So far, my test calls from the house phone work as planned. woot woot! I am hoping I do not run into any DHCP problems in a week or I start over on this one. Lol

A co-worker is using the same setup, but plugging the phone cord into the house "jack" and disconnecting the box outside. Thus, the phone router is running the "house" wire for all the phones.

Do you use a different phone setup for your house? I was thinking of doing the same - letting the phone router go to the house so I do not have to "upgrade" my 2-cordless set to 5 (where 1 phone plugs into the jack, and the other 4 handsets are just A\C adapters).
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