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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

If they aren't getting charged than why are in network calls free and PSTN calls can potentially cost money?[/quote]
Because in-network calls go from your internet connection to another user's internet connection. PSTN calls go from your internet connection to Vonage's internet connection, and then it's transferred to the local wire just as if you made a local call in that area yourself. They have extra equipment and service issues with calls that have to get routed over PSTN lines.[/quote]

So, and i'm not doubting i just want to understand, you mean to say that there is no access charge for Voip providers to switch to the PSTN system and that the only expense is maintining their switches and such to connect to PSTN? Shouldn't that make international calls cost the same as domestic ones?
I think i have an understanding of how the system works with points of termination and all that being important to call routing, but if you want to spell it out a little more that would be great.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:30 pm    Post subject: VOIP Cheaper Reply with quote Back to top

Let's get to the meat here.

Years ago lines were laid. Lines have been upgraded over and over. Now many lines laid are useless since they're obsolete.

Enter the digital world! fiber optics. Not that new.
Over the last 10 years, cables have been laid - but this time they're FIBER.
Who laid them? Phone companies, telecommunications companies, cable companies.
Enter Satellite transmissions. Enter HOME sat users. Enter Auto-sat users. Enter 2.4GHz users - aka Microwave transmissions.

Regular phones like Pacific Bell, Bell South, South Western Bell etc, their calls take the same route as a Voip call. One main difference:

Voip , your PHONE is analog, the ATA converts that signal to DIGITAL.
travels via fiber optics, just like your cable signal, regular phone etc.

Voip: buy a Voip phone and it will NOT have to convert analog to digital. It will be digital.

the Voip companies are using intenet lines laid by others.
Even tha banks use IP transmissions (though VPN type and encrypted)
your cell phone has an IP address!
your cable company uses fiber to transmit data. someone else stated: Voip is cheaper since they don't have to pay to lay lines. Why do some charge more? Like TimeWarner?
Simple: RIPOFF - translated to PROFIT.
The CEO couldn't make over $100million a year if he didn't bilk his customers!
Vonage seems to be run by REAL world people. "Let's make a profit from sheer quantity" not try to get rich from one single person like Verizon and Time Warner etc.

My opinions reflect just that: MY OPINIONS
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The PSTN uses circuit switching. When a PSTN call occurs the circuits remain open on both ends, regardless if there is a conversation occurring or not, which is not very efficient. Voip uses data packet switching. With data packet switching, information is only sent and received when needed. Packets are sent using the quickest, least congested path instead of a dedicated line. The packets are then reassembled at their destination,. Data packet switching is much faster, more efficient and cheaper than circuit switching.

Voip provides the greatest savings by reducing long distance charges. So yes, the cost of broadband plus Voip service may not be much cheaper than regular local calling. But depending on your long distance habits, Voip could save you hundreds and thousands of dollars. Also, with Voip you get many added features that are additional charges by the PSTN phone company.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

And just to bring the discussion back home again:

I calculated just the taxes on my December phone bill from BellSouth, and they came to $24.68. Again, that was just taxes--not phone service or of the "extras" like call waiting, voice mail, etc.--just taxes! And that's before I even make a single call! My total bill was $87.xx and I hardly ever make long distance calls. Writing that check every month is like swallowing a bitter pill, so I'll gladly suffer some of the Vonage issues to avoid sending BellSouth any more of my money.

If you already have a broadband connection, Voip is obviously cheaper. I pay Comcast $50/mo. plus tax for basic cable and the cable modem combined. So for what Vonage will save me each month over BellSouth, it's like getting all of my Comcast services for free. Hard to beat that!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Yes, i forgot to include that Voip calls aren't subject to taxes. That is definitely a large savings.
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