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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:59 pm    Post subject: Can I get my 2 networks talking? Reply with quote Back to top

I haven't found this in the forums yet, so maybe someone can shed some light on this.

I got Vonage setup and have been humming for a couple weeks now. I have the Linksys phone adapter coming off an ethernet port on my Netgear wireless router and one of my computers (192.168.15.100) is connected off the Linksys router (for conveinence sake and it's physical location).

I have 2 other computers coming off the netgear router (192.168.0.5,6). I would dearly love to get these computers on the 2 networks (192.168.0.x and 192.168.15.x) talking to each other for file and printer sharing, but they can't see each other.

Can I set up static routes or something? Or is there a simpler solution?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Turn off dhcp on the linksys router and give the linksys router an ip in the netgear router range. The linksys does not need to be on 192.168.15.0 network.

You will get your dhcp from your netgear if you have it enabled.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

My setup:

CABLE modem --> Netgear WGR614 --> PC1, PC2, Linksys RT31P2 --> PC3, Telephone

I turned off DHCP in the Phone adapter and gave it address on the Netgear network (192.168.0.200). The phone works great, but now I can't get a DHCP address from the netgear router for the PC attached to the phone adapter (PC3). I tried a static address - no go. I cannot ping the netgear router.

If I plug the ethernet cable from the netgear into a LAN port (not the Internet port)(effectively making the phone adapter a hub) on the Linksys, I can get a DHCP address from the netgear router no problem, but the phone doesn't work. No lights, no dial tone.

Does the internet port have to be used in order for the phone to work?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:05 am    Post subject: Turning off DHCP doesn't do it Reply with quote Back to top

I think Vonage should NOT be giving out routers because of the problem this person is having (and me, and others). Whenever they give out a router, they basically ensure that the customer has to know a lot about networking just to make sure that the rest of his system will continue working. Vonage is taking on big troubleand responsibility by interrupting people's already existing networks, like this guy's. I've read things like "the customer support reps aren't networking engineers", but they HAVE TO BE if they are giving out routers!

I'm having similar trouble as you are, meatloaf, and turning off DHCP doesn't work because 1) I can't seemlessly move between wireless and wired with my laptop, 2) my network printer is hopelessly shunned from the network (and I can't figure out why), 3) applications that require port forwarding or triggering don't work (could this have something to do with your problems?), 4) I can't turn off the firewall on the linksys, and the linksys regulalry shuts down all traffic to all networked devices thinking it's some kind of intrusion, 5) there is some sort of strange, periodic interaction between the two routers causing BOTH to hang until rebooted. This is the worst problem, making my entire system basically unreliable.

I've seriously worked on this for some time every day for over a month now, and I can't get it to work. My setup is different than yours, but I see SO MANY people in these forums that have similar problems. I'm at the point now where I think that if you have wireless already (or want to get it), you're going to have problems with wireless devices talking to wired.

For you, you have to make sure that the router closest to the cable modem has certain ports open on the firewall, and also configure port forwarding. Did you do this? Here's the blurb on port forwading: http://www.vonage.com/help_knowledgeBase_article.php?article=89
and here's the one on http://www.vonage.com/help_knowledgeBase_article.php?article=452&category=0



Why the heck didn't I get a linksys PAP2 *as advertised*? I was told I would get a phone adapter, not a router, and I 'm really getting sore about it. A dumb phone adapter is what we ALL should have gotten. We'd network the phone adapter ON OUR OWN like any of our other computer devices.

Does anyone know how actually turn the linksys router into a dumb hub, meaning it doesn't firewall, doesn't do anything fancy itself (again, just turning off dhcp does NOT do it), and won't kill my other network devices or my main router?

If not, would anyone be interested in trading a linksys router for the linksys phone adapter?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:50 am    Post subject: More tech talk to reinforce annsera's point Reply with quote Back to top

I am using a 2 router, 2 subnet setup which uses a LAN interface to Internet interface connection.

What meatloaf is trying to do is a 2 router, 1 subnet setup. I have not tried it, but I think this requires a LAN interface to LAN interface connection.

There are 2 IP address settings on the RT31P2 to consider: the IP address of the Internet interface and the IP address of the RT31P2 itself on the LAN side. Since the Internet interface should not be connected to anything, don't configure it. The LAN IP address of the RT31P2 should be configured to an IP address on subnet 192.168.0 which is distinct from all other devices, especially the Netgear router.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:05 pm    Post subject: Re: More tech talk to reinforce annsera's point Reply with quote Back to top

dpgearty wrote:
I am using a 2 router, 2 subnet setup which uses a LAN interface to Internet interface connection.

What meatloaf is trying to do is a 2 router, 1 subnet setup. I have not tried it, but I think this requires a LAN interface to LAN interface connection.

There are 2 IP address settings on the RT31P2 to consider: the IP address of the Internet interface and the IP address of the RT31P2 itself on the LAN side. Since the Internet interface should not be connected to anything, don't configure it. The LAN IP address of the RT31P2 should be configured to an IP address on subnet 192.168.0 which is distinct from all other devices, especially the Netgear router.


But if you don't configure or use the internet connection, the RT31P2 won't be able to act as a phone adapter.... ?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Even though the Internet interface on the RT31P2 is not connected or configured, the phone adapter in this case connects to the Internet through the Netgear router.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

annsera wrote:
Why the heck didn't I get a linksys PAP2 *as advertised*? I was told I would get a phone adapter, not a router, and I 'm really getting sore about it. A dumb phone adapter is what we ALL should have gotten. We'd network the phone adapter ON OUR OWN like any of our other computer devices.


I agree - I'm using too much of my time to figure this out. But I'm willing to spend some time, because I will be saving a lot in my phone bill. Thanks for the head's up about the port forwarding - I tried forwarding the selected ports from the Netgear router to the Linksys and it had no effect.

dpgearty wrote:
I am using a 2 router, 2 subnet setup which uses a LAN interface to Internet interface connection.

What meatloaf is trying to do is a 2 router, 1 subnet setup. I have not tried it, but I think this requires a LAN interface to LAN interface connection.


All I'm trying to do is get the 2 subnets to talk to each other. The 2 router, 1 subnet setup is just an attempt to allow the machines to talk. I tried Netgear LAN port to Linksys RT31P2 LAN port and it puts everything on 1 subnet, but the phone ports don't work, as SIM mentioned. I think the Internet port *must* be used for the phone ports to work, but I'm just guessing based on my experiments, I have not seen this in any documentation.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Turning off DHCP doesn't do it Reply with quote Back to top

annsera wrote:


If not, would anyone be interested in trading a linksys router for the linksys phone adapter?


Forgive me if I am missing the point here. If they send you a PAP2, you would just take it and plug it into your exisiting router, right? If they send you a RT31P2, you can take it and just plug it into your existing router, right?

Soooo..... Don't use the router portion of the Linksys. Put tape over the 3 router ports so you won't be tempted.

Unless I am not understanding why you are heartbroken over the fact that your phone adapter has some added functionality that some more advanced users could possibly use.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Oh, and you MUST have a cable plugged in the Internet port on the RT31P2 for your phone to work. So just take one cable from your netgear into the Internet port, and one more cable from the Netgear into one of the 3 LAN ports on the RT31P2 to join your subnets. That leaves 2 empty ports to hang computers on.
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