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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:18 pm    Post subject: mebbe john ashcruft is running some tests?? Reply with quote Back to top

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I currently have Bell-South, and I live in the Atlanta area. I get these stupid beeping calls ALL the time, so rest assured it's not just Vonage. I'm just about to switch to Vonage (the modem is on its way), and I'm sure they calls will carry over seeing as I ported my number over.

One bright note, however!

Every time it has called me in the past, it's shown up as "annonymous caller". Well finally the number made it through on my caller ID. I won't post the number here, but it did say Newark NJ and upon calling it back, all I got was a VERY PHONY message stating "the number you are calling is no longer in service." I say phony, I mean phony. I pushed a few buttons and could tell that it was a store-bought answering machine set to "answer only."

Anyway, I'm gonna keep trying to call the number back. One of these days I'll get some info, and I'll let you guys know what I find out if & when I do.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

RadioGuy2k wrote:
I currently have Bell-South, and I live in the Atlanta area. I get these stupid beeping calls ALL the time, so rest assured it's not just Vonage. I'm just about to switch to Vonage (the modem is on its way), and I'm sure they calls will carry over seeing as I ported my number over.

One bright note, however!

Every time it has called me in the past, it's shown up as "annonymous caller". Well finally the number made it through on my caller ID. I won't post the number here, but it did say Newark NJ and upon calling it back, all I got was a VERY PHONY message stating "the number you are calling is no longer in service." I say phony, I mean phony. I pushed a few buttons and could tell that it was a store-bought answering machine set to "answer only."

Anyway, I'm gonna keep trying to call the number back. One of these days I'll get some info, and I'll let you guys know what I find out if & when I do.


Have you tried a reverse-directory lookup on AnyWho (www.anywho.com) to see if it is listed?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Couple of things. Firstly, and I don't think applies here but beware phone scams. I recall one where you get called by the scammer who promptly hangs up before you can answer. You then call them back (from the caller id or 1471) and get charged £££ (or $$$) per minute to listen to a recorded message saying the number is out of service.

Secondly and possibily a little more relevantly, I know in the UK we have problems with random dialers. These are used by telemarketers and they simply pick numbers to dial at random. Typically they call many more numbers at once than their are telemarketers on the basis that a lot of calls won't get answered. That means sometimes that when you do answer, there isn't anyone at the other end ready to sell you double glazing etc. Its a game of statistics basically. Not sure of a US equivalent but in the UK you absolutely MUST susbcribe to this:

http://www.tpsonline.org.uk/tps/
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Couple of things. Firstly, and I don't think applies here but beware phone scams. I recall one where you get called by the scammer who promptly hangs up before you can answer. You then call them back (from the caller id or 1471) and get charged £££ (or $$$) per minute to listen to a recorded message saying the number is out of service.

Secondly and possibily a little more relevantly, I know in the UK we have problems with random dialers. These are used by telemarketers and they simply pick numbers to dial at random. Typically they call many more numbers at once than their are telemarketers on the basis that a lot of calls won't get answered. That means sometimes that when you do answer, there isn't anyone at the other end ready to sell you double glazing etc. Its a game of statistics basically. Not sure of a US equivalent but in the UK you absolutely MUST susbcribe to this:

http://www.tpsonline.org.uk/tps/


We have both in the US.

I have international calling locked out in my Vonage phone, because I never call internationally and I use it to protect myself from such scams. Plus, I'd never call anyone back at a number I don't know. Wink

There is a similar service to your TPS in the US, called the "Do Not Call" registry:

https://www.donotcall.gov/default.aspx

I don't have my Vonage line in there for two reasons:

1. There have been some implementation and enforcement issues that make the Registry less than perfect, and some unethical telemarketers have taken advantage of that by using the DNC registry as a calling list. I don't know if all of the court cases have been settled, but two arms of government are arguing over who has the responsbility of enforcement.

2. When enforcement does occur, it will involve a lot of exceptions. For example, any business you have done business with for the last 60 days, or their partners, can call you. So my Discover card gives out my number to a marketing partner, and that's a DNC exception. It is also unenforceable for calls originating from overseas, who are not subject to US law. So bascially the calling gets outsourced to India.

I don't give out my number and since Vonage gives me caller ID, I don't answer calls from people I don't know, and let those go to voicemail. I have yet to get a sales call on Vonage, since (like with my old cell), I'm not in the phone book to be added to calling lists easily.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

For a few months I used to leave my fax machine hooked up to my non-used landline. Somehow, even though it was trampled with tele-marketers before, now it got 1 fax every week...

Those were interesting at first, until they started duping!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I wonder if it something similar to what we get.

On our old POTS line we used to always get calls that would hang up. I would answer hear a series of clicks then the other end would disconnect, once in a while we would get a recording. Like "This is an exicting offer please hold while we connect you to someone."

After several calls to our telco (Frontier) They basically told us they are telemarketers checking to see if our number is active. I had been registered on the DNC for a couple of years, and there is nothing they can do to stop it.

We even have ACR, and we would still receive them.

I don't understand how a telephone company cannot control their network. Maybe if possible they should be able to "blacklist" phone numbers that are known offenders. The only way they shouldn't be able to trace a call is if it's international. I think the techs don't want to go through the trouble of finding the origin.

It would be great if the telcos were setup like email where the company has to give you the option to optout.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

As there are a couple of post saying they have regular phone lines, this could be a telemarketers issue.
Register into the "Do not call" list" so they should not call to your phone. at www.donotcall.gov Lol
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hi JJ,

Welcome aboard. I've been on the DNC list for a couple of years. We still get these type of calls. I guess these people are above the law.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

DannyBoy84 wrote:
Hi JJ,

Welcome aboard. I've been on the DNC list for a couple of years. We still get these type of calls. I guess these people are above the law.


The problem is complex. Let me help sum it up:

1) Off shore call centers disregard the law (There are tons of them).

2) Anyone you do business with can call you, this includes the most obscure business relationships (your bank would love to sell you a credit card...H&R Block did your taxes? They own everything you can think of), and the most abused is magazine subscriptions. Time, Newsweek and the rest of them will try to sell you everything from vacations to health insurance.

The whole exceptions list to the Do Not Call list needs to be revised.

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