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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:07 pm    Post subject: CONFIG? -> DSL, Vonage LinkSys Box, Own Server as Router. Reply with quote Back to top

Greetings, all. I just signed up with Vonage, and I have my Linksys box that they shipped to me. After looking at things a bit, it seems that Vonage wants you to use THEIR box as your router - which I do NOT want to do.

I do, however, want to have the Linksys Vonage box between my DSL connection [WAN from a 66.93.x.x public network] and my Mac OS X Server [LAN on a 10.0.0.x private network]...


NETWORK CONFIGURATION:
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[DSL] {static IP}
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[Vonage LinkSys]
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[Mac OS X Server Machine] {providing firewall/DHCP/NAT}
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[8-Port Switch]
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[Private Network Machines] & [Airport Express Wireless Base Station]


Ideas? Is there a way to set up the Vonage Linksys box as a passthrough, and enable use of the phone, but still be able to send my static IP from my ISP to my main server that still acts as my firewall/DHCP/NAT server?

Thanks in advance..


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:37 pm    Post subject: Stacking networking equipment in front of the Vonage adapter Reply with quote Back to top

Yes, the manual wants the Vonage device to be first but this is not required.

I figure that your server is connected to a switch that connects to your other PC's/Macs and hands out IP addresses via DHCP.

The Linksys adapter (RT31P2) I have merely requires an IP address to work. Connect a patch cord from your switch to the Internet port. The Linksys defaults to DHCP on the Internet port and will obtain an IP address from your server. As long as your server provides the proper DNS addresses your Linksys device should reach out to the Vonage network and register the Internet port MAC address with your public IP address. This is where Vonage will send inbound calls and alert your Linksys device.

Now worries about a firewall. My Linksys is connected to a Cisco PIX 501 with a 10.x.x.x address on the private side and calls in and out work well.

I found out this tidbit from looking at Linksys' FAQ on the RT31P2.

If you didn't get a Linksys device from Vonage most likely other products would work the same way.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:53 pm    Post subject: 2nd thoughts Reply with quote Back to top

It would have helped if I was referring back to you message while I was typing in mine. Looks like I got keyboard happy.

The Linksys DHCP can be disabled but, after looking at your post, you don't need to.

The Linksys should provide your server with a private 192.168.15.x address. Then your server could treat this connection as it's Internet connection. Of course you will need two network cards in your server but you probably do since you use it as your firewall.

Can't speak about the NAT from your server but the Linksys will allow you to disable NAT (also disables DHCP) according to the product manual.

Good luck.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:29 am    Post subject: MORE INFO -> Set-up Specifics... Reply with quote Back to top

I guess I need to clarify a few things. Smile

I have my DSL-provided public IP address [66.93.x.x] going directly to the server that I am running. This server, running Mac OS X Server, is also my firewall.

I have a second Ethernet card in the server machine that then runs out to my [10.0.0.x] private network. From that second private-net Ethernet card, it hits a switch, and then to my local machines...

I really need to retain my existing public IP address to my home server [as I have to access the server directly from work a lot] - and really can NOT have the Linksys box give my server a private network address... I also still want to use my server machine to do the DHCP/NAT/Firewall stuff.

Ideas? Thanks again, folks. This looks like a great forum.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:00 am    Post subject: How about this Reply with quote Back to top

What happens when you connect the Internet (outside) port of the Vonage Linksys to your 10.x.x.x network? Does your phone work for either inbound or outbound calls?

I just treated my Linksys just like a computer by plugging it into my switch (or hub) and allowing it to obtain an internal address from my firewall. The only other cable that is attached to it is the phone line. As long as it can contact the Vonage server you should be OK.

I agree about wanting to keep your public address. I've had mine for several months and would hate to lose it.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I havent tried that, but I wanted to take advantage of the QOS stuff for prioritizing voice... I have a feeling if I do plug the Vonage box in behind my server/router, that QOS will not kick in...

Am I mistaken?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:50 pm    Post subject: DSCP values Reply with quote Back to top

This past weekend I hooked a PC running Ethereal, an ethernet sniffing program, between my firewall and cable modem and saved the trace for later review.

Looks like the outbound traffic to Vonage has a DSCP value of 101110 or "Expedited Forwarding" and, according to Cisco's web site, that specifies a high priority. Inbound traffic from Vonage has a DSCP value of 00000 which is normal traffic. In other words the QOS for voice is being preserved through my network and firewall to be sent out.

The QOS only takes effect when the link is approaching max load. The router, if properly configured, knows to look for DSCP traffic and sort accordingly putting it first in line to be sent out.

I would suggest sniffing the traffic between your firewall and cable modem to see if your firewall is passing the DSCP value out to the rest of the world. There are many routers between Michigan and Vonage so the DSCP (hopefully) gets placed in front of the regular traffic with normal priority. Of course we hope that routers down the line do not reset the DSCP back to zeroes.

You can obtain Ethereal as a free download from their site. Can't remember if web site names are allowed in the forum so just use your favorite search engine to find the site.

The short answer is, if you don't push a lot of data upstream you should be fine.

BTW: The Linksys Voip router contacts Vonage every 18 seconds. This is probably how inbounds calls are being allowed through my firewall.

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