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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:11 pm    Post subject: Dish Network 722VIP HD DVR Help! Reply with quote Back to top

Okay, so I have read through these forums for quite a while, but I can't put together exactly what I need to do to get all this working.

I used to have an AT&T phoneline with AT&T DSL. I switched to Vonage but kept my DSL, so I am not using the internet through Cable or Satellite.

First of all, how should I hook up Vonage to where all my jacks throughout the house are activated? I have read over and over that you have to disconnect the phone through the NID box, but won't that disconnect my DSL as well?

Secondly (and a follow-up to the first question) regards the Dish Network box that I need to have connected to the internet or phone line. I have two boxes that used to be hooked up to phone lines and never got charged an access fee, but now that the phone jacks aren't activated, they can't dial out and I will be charged if I don't fix them. Like I said, it kinda goes with the previous question because I think if I get all the jacks activated, there shouldn't be a problem ....

Any help???????
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You are correct about not being able to disconnect at the NID. In my most basic description, 1 pair of wires is used per line. Typically house wiring has more than 1 pair.

Therefore, you could use one of these alternate pairs for the Voip lines (might have to change some jack wiring, or use a L1/L2 splitter), or you could isolate the DSL feed to just one outlet (the modem). Depending on the era of the house, wiring was either daisy chained (older), but more recently most of it is home run to a central point. An older home done from jack to jack, would probably be easier to use an alternate pair.

In a perfect world, at that point the dishnetwork receivers can then be plugged in.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Okay .... so the NIU has only one set of wires connected ... the blue and blue/white. Obviously, if I disconnect this, then I won't be able to get DSL.

In the central hub in my house, every jack has a blue & blue/white and an orange and orange/white connected to the jacks. How would I go about disconnecting the phone lines here without disconnecting DSL?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Okay .... so the NIU has only one set of wires connected ... the blue and blue/white. Obviously, if I disconnect this, then I won't be able to get DSL.

In the central hub in my house, every jack has a blue & blue/white and an orange and orange/white connected to the jacks. How would I go about disconnecting the phone lines here without disconnecting DSL?


I suggest that you disconnect the telco line from the blue/white pair and connect it to the orange/white pair, leaving the blue/white pair connected to all of the other blue/white pairs, but not connected to the telco line.

Then, plug your DSL modem into the orange/white pair - either by re-wiring one jack, or by plugging the modem into the L2 port on a triplex adapter. That adapter is available at places like Radio Shack, Home Depot, etc. It consists of a plug that plugs into an RJ-11 jack and three jacks labeled L1, L2, and L1+L2. Then plug a modular cord from the Phone-1 jack on your Vonage device to the L1 jack on the adaptor. All of your jacks will then present your Vonage service on their primary line. If you also want a working phone at the same jack where the DSL modem and Vonage device are plugged in, plug the single-line phone into the L1+L2 port on the adapter. Your phone should only use the L1 part of this jack.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

DLevenson wrote:

I suggest that you disconnect the telco line from the blue/white pair and connect it to the orange/white pair, leaving the blue/white pair connected to all of the other blue/white pairs, but not connected to the telco line.


Where exactly am I supposed to disconnect the telco line? Sorry, I am obviously new at this, but I think I am missing something here ...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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I suggest that you disconnect the telco line from the blue/white pair and connect it to the orange/white pair, leaving the blue/white pair connected to all of the other blue/white pairs, but not connected to the telco line.


Where exactly am I supposed to disconnect the telco line? Sorry, I am obviously new at this, but I think I am missing something here ...


You could make the recommended wiring change wherever the line from the telco is connected to your house wiring; this is most conveniently done at the NID (the network interface device, usually a grey plastic box on an outside wall or sometimes in your basement in which you find plugs (connected to the house wiring) plugged into jacks (connected to the line from the telco). This device is also sometimes called the NIU, the demarc, or the Keptel (which is actuallhy the name of a company that makes them).

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Okay, that sounds simple enough.

So, in summary, all I need to do is:

1) Disconnect the blue/white from the NIU and connect the orange/white instead
2) Go to the DSL jack and insert the cord in the L2 line of the adapter that is plugged into that jack.
3) Connect Vonage to the L1 jack

So, that would get Vonage running through all the jacks in the house? If I ever wanted to connect another jack the the DSL, I would have to get another adapter, correct? Otherwise, all the jacks will only be used for the house phone wiring .... correct?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Also, could I essentially do this the other way around?

In other words, could I leave the blue/white connected in the NIU as it currently is and keep L1 on DSL, and then just get a triplex adapter and use that L2 line for any jack I want Vonage service on?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

So, I did as instructed, but I could not get a DSL connection on the second pair. Therefore, I could not get the phone to present itself on the other jacks in the house.

Any opinions/thoughts on why this isn't working?
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So, I did as instructed, but I could not get a DSL connection on the second pair. Therefore, I could not get the phone to present itself on the other jacks in the house.

Any opinions/thoughts on why this isn't working?


I think you are saying that you disconnected the blue/white pair from the AT&T line at the NIU, and connected the orange/white pair in its place. I think you are also saying that you are not getting a DSL signal on the L2 port of the triplex adapter. Do I understand your actions?

If so, it means either that your connection of the orange/white pair at the NIU is faulty or that the orange/white pair is not wired to the L2 position of the jack where you're plugging in your DSL modem.

I suggest that you check the wiring at the NIU first. Is the insulation stripped from ends of the orange/white pair? Is each bare end under exactly one of the red/green screw-terminal? Are both wires intact (not broken or touching anything metallic other than the terminals)?

If the NIU is okay, then open up your jack and verify that all four wires are connected. The blue/white pair is connected to the two middle pins of the jack, normally color-coded red and green. We know that is wired correctly because your DSL service worked when the blue/white pair was connected at the NIU. The orange/white pair should be connected to the two outer pins of the jack, normally color-coded black and yellow. (The colors are typical, but may be different with less-common styles of jacks.)

If all of the above check out, your triplex adapter may be at fault. Check the labels on each port (should be L1, L2, and L1+L2) be sure that it is a triplex adapter and not merely a multiple-jack adapter.

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