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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:32 pm    Post subject: VT2142 and WRT54G remote desktop Reply with quote Back to top

Hi I have a Vonage account and this weekend I tried to connect a Linksys WRT54G wireless router to my PC. It goes from Motorola Cable modem Vonage VT2142 Linksys WRT54G wireless router PC. I can connect to the internet still, but I have a remote desktop to connect my PC to my work PC and that does not work anymore. After some time with Linksys support they determined that both devices have NAT (Network Address Translation). You cannot forward one port behind two NAT devices. You can open the port for the WRT54G router but the Vonage will still block the 3389 port. He said If the Motorola Vonage server has a DHCP server feature, you can just make the router act like a wireless switch and let the Motorola provide the IP address for all your computers. Then, forward the port 3389 in your Motorola and it should work then. Is this possible, if not what can I do to fix this? Can I put the order like this: Motorola Cable modem Linksys WRT54G wireless routerVonage VT2142 PC. Any help is greatly appreciated.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You can change the order around and have the WRT be the main router and both the Vonage adapter and PC clients of off the router. You answered your own question Smile.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The order of the units will not effect the quality of the phone connection?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Under most circumstances, the order won't matter. As long as you have a decent connection and you don't do heavy traffic when on a call (big downloads, torrents, etc.), you will be fine. Most people use the Vonage adapter as just a telephony adapter and use "real" routers instead of router/voip devices.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

unfortunately, the order didn't matter. I still cant connect to my work computer by the remote desktop connection.

Linksys support they determined that both devices have NAT (Network Address Translation). You cannot forward one port behind two NAT devices. You can open the port for the WRT54G router but the Vonage will still block the 3389 port. Maybe I'm not thinking correctly, but now that the Vonage is running off the wireless router and PC does not have to send data through it shouldn't this fix it or does the Vonage software effect it some how?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

First of all you are entirely missing the point if I am reading you correctly.

1) Vonage and the Vonage telephone adapter/ router does not block RDP protocol on port 3389.

2) You can perform port forwarding from one router to another which I will explain later.

3) Port forwarding has nothing to do with what you just explained.

If you are at home and the Remote Desktop computer is at work, if you are trying to access your work computer from at home, this is an outbound connection. Same as anything else. Same as opening up a web site. Your local computer sends a request from a private IP, the router's NAT masks this private IP and transmits your request across the internet via your public IP.

Port forwarding is ONLY needed when you are hosting something such as Remote Desktop or a Web Server. If you tried to reach your computer at home from any outside internet connection, you would need to port forward TCP port 3389 to the private IP your computer hosting the Remote Desktop connection. You would then enter your public IP into the Remote Desktop client from the remote PC, the request would hit the WAN interface of your router, and the router's NAT table would relay your request to the IP address entered into the port forwarding.

Now, if your trying to access a computer at work, I have to assume there is a firewall or router in place. I don't think your work computer is directly connected to the internet via a public IP address.

1) So are you using a VPN connection to your office and then trying to use Remote Desktop to your work PC via it's private IP?

2) Are you sitting at home and trying to enter your work computer's private IP into the Remote Desktop client?

If this is what you are doing, it wont matter whether you are behind 2 routers, 1 router, or PC directly to modem. If your IT staff has not enabled a port forwarding rule from their NAT to your PC, this wont work. Unless you are the Network Admin who has full access to your firewall and routers, you cannot access your work PC from home.

Lastly we come to port forwarding with 2 routers.

Set up is modem to router 1 to router 2 to PC. Note: All IP information used is for scenario only. It does not represent your exact setup.

Router 1 WAN port got assigned an IP of 68.225.80.73

Router 1 LAN side operates on subnet 192.168.1.0/24 so Router 2 has an IP of 192.168.1.100 statically assigned to it's WAN port.

Router 2 has a LAN subnet of 192.168.15.0/24 so the PC connected to it has an IP of 192.168.15.100 assigned to it.

In the Router 1 port forwarding, you would set TCP port 3389 to forward to Router 2 at IP address 192.168.1.100.

Then in Router 2 port forwarding, you set TCP port 3389 to forward to IP address 192.168.15.100 which is the PC.

At the remote location, you enter 68.225.80.73 into the Remote Desktop client, it hits the WAN of Router 1 which forwards your request to the WAN of Router 2 which forwards your request to the PC with IP 192.168.15.100.

You just traversed a Double NAT configuration. So easy, this is networking 101, the remedial course. If I were to box this up, it would say "Recommended for ages 5 and up" on the box top.

But you wouldn't even need to do this since your PC should be connected to a LAN port on Router 1.

I hope this makes sense to you and I have covered in detail exactly what you are trying to achieve.
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