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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:51 am    Post subject: Wiring Question - One POTS line and One Vonage Line Reply with quote Back to top

How do I wire to a punchdown block with the following situation. I have one ATT POTS line and one Vonage line. I used to have two ATT POTS lines but I dropped one of them for Vonage, my old line 1. Now, my phone jacks in the house obviously only run my POTS line since the Vonage adapter is not yet connected to the house wiring. Can I buy a punchdown block and run the inbound POTS line to the block as well as the Vonage line coming from the Vonage router so that my phone jacks have line 1 as Vonage and line 2 as my POTS service? I know how to wire it up with the one twisted pair coming into the house, but how to I wire up the Vonage line from the router to that punch down block? Thanks for your help.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You probably don't need a punch-down block if you don't already have one. Just make sure that all of your jacks have all four wires connected and that all of the jacks are connected to each other. Then, at your service entrance, connect your incoming POTS line to the second wire pair and leave the first pair disconnected. At any convenient point, plug the Vonage phone line into the first pair at any jack, and your existing wiring will connect it to the rest of the jacks.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

maybe I can help.

if you used to have 2 POTS lines then how were your phones connected? Did you have 2 line phones on all your jacks?

If so, then the solution is very easy as DLevenson says. All you do is plug Vonage into the 1st line and make sure you disconnect the 1st line from your ATT POTS network interface in the back or side of your house.

What you might need is a 2 line splitter. I.e. it takes a jack that has 2 lines coming in can be split into 2 jacks and then you connect Vonage into the line 1.

In other words, get something like this:
http://www.trianglecables.com/tellinsplitl.html

Be sure not to get the splitter that let's you share the same line.
Do not get this:
http://www.trianglecables.com/teldupadspli.html

notice how they both look the same but the first pic has line 1; line 2; lines 1+2 on it so you know that it is splitting line 1 from line 2 etc.

The 2nd pic does not have any labels so it is letting you share line 1 with 2 phones or a fax and a phone etc.

I personally just share the same jack with my phone using the 2nd type of "splitter."

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Wiring Question - One POTS line and One Vonage Line Reply with quote Back to top

To answer a couple of your questions, I have two line wiring throughout the house at all jacks, so by default if you plug in a one line phone you get line one, which today is dead because is it the old POTS line. Line two is available at all jacks if you use a splitter that separates the two lines. So, if I have a standard CAT 3 punch down block, I assume I attach the inbound wire from the network interface to the block. Then, if I understand correctly, I disconnect the line one pair from the network interface outside. Next, I take the line from the Vonage router and attach it to the punch down block, so that it is taking the place of the POTS line one. Will this work?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

it will but I agree with DLevenson that you don't need the punchdown block.

from your answer to my question, you are using a 2 line splitter then at your jacks?

You can plug Vonage into any of the jacks and it will light up line 1 since Vonage only uses a 1 line rj-11 plug. all you have to do is disconnect line 1 from the POTS interface.

plug Vonage into any of the available jacks. Vonage does not have to be punched in any centrally located punch down block.

I have it connected to one of my jacks.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:00 pm    Post subject: Wiring Question - One POTS line and One Vonage Line Reply with quote Back to top

No, I don't use splitters at the jacks. When you connect a phone line to the jack when it is a single line phone, it just picks up the first line by default. If you plug in a two line phone, both lines light up. However, since I don't have a "live" first line anymore, the only way I get a dial tone on the jacks in the house is to use a two line splitter and plug my phones into the second line part of the splitter. This is fine because the second line (POTS) is my work line and I only need it in my office. I use a cordless phone system coming out of the Vonage router for my first line, or home number.

I understand I don't need a punchdown block. I could just connect the Vonage line coming out of my router into the clump of phone wires, but I don't know what wires to connect to what in the clump. I also have four other home runs coming from new jacks I installed in my basement and I need to connect them to the clump. These new wires are all CAT 5e, so this is why I was thinking of getting a punchdown block to keep it organized.

From your post, you claim all I have to do is plug in the Vonage line from the router into a phone jack and the rest of my house jacks will work? This makes sense

Last question. How do I know what pair is first and what pair is second? I believe the colors mean something here Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

If you only use line 2 in one room, then the colors are irrelevant. All the other jacks are connected to line 1 by default.

btw the solid blue and white with blue stripes are considered line 1. but you really do not have to connect to the clump of wires.

just connect it to any one of the jacks and it will light up line 1.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:45 pm    Post subject: Wiring Question - One POTS line and One Vonage Line Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks. I want both lines available on all jacks in the house. I also want my Vonage to be connected to the clump so I don't have to waste a phone jack elsewhere in the house. The only place I could do this is in my office and I don't want the router there.

If the blue pair is line 1 then are the orange pair line 2?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Wiring Question - One POTS line and One Vonage Line Reply with quote Back to top

deanphil wrote:
Thanks. I want both lines available on all jacks in the house. I also want my Vonage to be connected to the clump so I don't have to waste a phone jack elsewhere in the house. The only place I could do this is in my office and I don't want the router there.

If the blue pair is line 1 then are the orange pair line 2?


I am puzzled by your comments. If you plug Vonage into your phone jack, all your phone jacks will still have line1 and line2 connected to it.

I don't understand what you mean by wasting a phone jack. you won't be wasting anything especially if you get a single line splitter.

I also don't understand what you mean by the only place you can do this is in your office. Is that where you modem is at?

yes, go here and you can see the color schemes:

http://www.homephonewiring.com/clr-code.html

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

|_____Jack_________| Demarcation |
Blue/White---------|Liine| Connected to
White/Blue---------|One | POTS

Orange/White-----|Line | Connected to |
White/Orange-----|Two| Vonage

What I think I understand you are saying is that your phonejacks are are wired as above.

You can buy a splitter that picks up The Line One wiring from your phone jack and keeps it as line one and also picks up line two from your phone jack and moves it to line one (on the male plug that goes to the phone you will be using with Vonage and or the Vonage device.) If you ave a two line phone, line two will use the Line Two wires (Blue) and Line One will use the Line One wires (Orange).

If you have multiple phones throughout the house, some to use the POTS line others to use the Vonage line, you will need to use a splitter or some form of crossover at each jack where you plan to use Vonage.

Something Like this:


"Quickly plugs into a standard two-line telephone jack to allow you to connect a device to either line one or line two. A combined line one plus line two allows you to keep your two-line telephone connected."


The other option is to rewire the jacks you plan on using with Vonage with the Orange wired to the Line one terminals and the Blue wired to the Line two terminals or simply left disconnected and insulated with tape.

In your office you can buy a duplex wall phone jack, connecting the blue to one female jack and the orange connected to the other.

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