Sign up
 Vonage  

       
 
Vonage Forum Menu

Vonage Forums
Vonage VoIP Forum
mikebrown Posted:
Hello
there, Please
check out -
http://www.vonage-
forum.com/home-wir
ing-installation-g
uide.html
...

In The Forum:
Hard Wiring - Installation
Topic:
Hardwiring in a Rental House
On Oct 24, 2017 at 22:29:48

mikebrown Posted:
Hello, I think
you should consult
it with the Expert
they can surely
help you
...

In The Forum:
Hard Wiring - Installation
Topic:
Hardwiring in a Rental House
On Jun 24, 2017 at 09:15:34

Haniltery Posted:
For wipe call
history also some
of the offline, in
gengral , it
usually apply to
...

In The Forum:
Vonage
Topic:
How to Delete call history from online account?
On May 09, 2017 at 06:14:26

diana87 Posted:
You have to use
VPN service to
bypass
Geo-restrictions
and get free
access while
...

In The Forum:
Vonage
Topic:
Recent calling problem from Egypt
On May 02, 2017 at 17:28:06

dconnor Posted:
What is the main
number on the
account? And
which one is the
virtual number?
...

In The Forum:
Vonage UK
Topic:
How do you call 999
On Apr 27, 2017 at 18:52:02

Trafford Posted:
Seems like a
simple
question. We
rely exclusively
on a Vonage system
for our
...

In The Forum:
Vonage UK
Topic:
How do you call 999
On Apr 27, 2017 at 10:42:50

diazou Posted:
Hello, It's
compatible with
Android your phone
software
? Thanks!
...

In The Forum:
Vonage
Topic:
IP PBX for small business
On Mar 28, 2017 at 12:42:33

jeddaisg Posted:
Hi all We have
a Vonage VOIP
system for our
office. Lately,
our call quality
...

In The Forum:
Vonage
Topic:
Ethernet Cable; Wiring schematic? 568-B?
On Feb 23, 2017 at 18:33:52

beast321 Posted:
I don't know if
you heard, that
many more
Dreamcast games
are opened up
recently.
...

In The Forum:
Fax - Tivo - Alarms
Topic:
Using phone as a dial up modem for Dreamcast Gaming
On Feb 16, 2017 at 03:16:51

Av8rix Posted:
Sorry to start a
new thread on an
old topic but when
I google “Vonage
MAC address
...

In The Forum:
Vonage
Topic:
New adapter and router -- MAC change
On Jan 11, 2017 at 01:07:21


Vonage VoIP Forums

Vonage In The News
Vonage Expands International Presence with Investments in Asia Pacific Region

Vonage to Present at the Oppenheimer 20th Annual Technology, Internet & Communications Conference

Syndication

Vonage Customer Reviews
Salt Lake City: impressions after several months
Salt Lake City: impressions after several months



Review: My First Day With Vonage, Excellent!
Review: My First Day With Vonage, Excellent!



Great Price, No Complaints
Great Price, No Complaints



You need some common sense.
You need some common sense.



Vonage Customer Review: One month with Vonage, and...
Vonage Customer Review: One month with Vonage, and...




Vonage Reviews


Post new topic   Reply to topic  Vonage® VoIP Forum - Vonage News, Reviews And Discussion » Vonage Forum Archive
Author Message
ed56
Vonage Forum Evangelist
Vonage Forum Evangelist


Joined: Jun 08, 2007
Posts: 832

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Arthur_lw wrote:
ed56 wrote:
"Just some random thoughts here. Not sure what may apply.
Is DHCP disabled in the Linksys? I assume the Vonage device is supplying same... Otherwise you got two chiefs and no indians here. "

Only if they are on the same subnet.

On mine everything is. I could have set the Linksys up as a separate DHCP device and gained an extra port, but things didn't seem to work as well.

You can put the Vonage ATA before or after a router. However, if after, you lose the built in QOS for the phone. May not be a problem, may be.

No way to put a D-Link VTA ahead of a router, unless they have two different models that is. Mine has no Internet out jack. It is designed to be fed from an Ethernet port on a router only. They HAD BETTER be able to adjust QOS from there, cuz that's the only place it CAN get fed from. And if they can adjust my D-Link's QOS behind a router why should it be so hard to do it with some other device?


Some ATA's like the Dlink are set up like yours but most that I have seen are combined with wireless and ethernet out ports or just ethernet out ports. They are NAT routers as well as an ATA.

If behind a router, a number of people set QOS (if their routers support it) to prioritize SIP and or the ports Vonage uses.

_________________
Time Warner Road Runner / Motorola SB5101 Cable Modem / Lniksys E2000 / Vonage VDV21
View user's profile Send private message
Arthur_lw
Vonage Forum Senior
Vonage Forum Senior


Joined: Jan 26, 2008
Posts: 111

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ed56 wrote:
If behind a router, a number of people set QOS (if their routers support it) to prioritize SIP and or the ports Vonage uses.

Yeah, the Actiontec has DMZ and QOS setting cabability as well. Also a big hand saying STOP! Don't mess with these settings unless told to do so by your ISP. Shame on you LOL

And this brings me to a question that has been sitting in the back of my mind for some time. How does one actually measure one's Voip device's QOS? How do I know if I even need to fool with DMZ and QOS in my router? All these test sites seem to be simulating a call using the computer, not the Voip device. Presumably if your puter is sitting behind a router or router and switch combo and the test can generate a 4.2 or 4.4 MOS and QOS of say, 98% with low ping then do we assume that the device plugged in at the same termination point as the puter can do the same?

But how do you go inside your call device and generate a test call? Or do you? Do you just do your testing and if you get good readings off the puter say that's good enough and then if you have call problems with the good test readings it must be your device going bad?

And if the call device is fed from the same place as the puter that did its simulation work and the puter could get good test readings but the call device won't work as well, then why would I want to trust something that rinky-dink to have the bandwidth and technology and all the rest to be in front of everything and be my gateway to the 'net? ( Hope I explained myself coherently this time.)

_________________
No trees were cut down in the making of this post, but some electrons were horribly neutertroned in the process!
View user's profile Send private message
ed56
Vonage Forum Evangelist
Vonage Forum Evangelist


Joined: Jun 08, 2007
Posts: 832

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

First thing, QOS packet prioritizatin supports only upload (in most out of the box cases). Most people (home users) simply observe that certain applications or events do or may affect their phone service and make QOS setting changes to handle it. Examples are torrents and World of Warcraft. An ATA combined with a NAT router many times has already set prioritization to the voice traffic, so one can be resonably sure those packets will be prioritized.

Some on this board like a frimware called "Tomato" that provides QOS settings and versatility for the Linksys' WRT54G/GL/GS.

Probably the best solution but overkill is a software router running on a Linux or Windows box. These can provide load balancing between multiple ISP's (15 or more), Flexible QOS algorithms, a rule based firewall and are very customizeable.

Cisco commercial grade routers can also do a lot, but also overkill for home use.

Lastly, there is work in examining integrated (perflow) and differentiated (qualitative) QOS schemes that meld with the application to ensure QOS. This is more in the future than today.

_________________
Time Warner Road Runner / Motorola SB5101 Cable Modem / Lniksys E2000 / Vonage VDV21
View user's profile Send private message
Arthur_lw
Vonage Forum Senior
Vonage Forum Senior


Joined: Jan 26, 2008
Posts: 111

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ed56 wrote:
Examples are torrents and World of Warcraft. An ATA combined with a NAT router many times has already set prioritization to the voice traffic, so one can be resonably sure those packets will be prioritized.

And by some strange coincidence I seem to remember tromping in the gateway's control panel and coming upon some mention of a bunch of games, and ports maybe and whatnot. It was all grayed out but I'll bet if you install one of those games it will be sensed by the gateway and the way will be open for it to function at max.

But I still need an answer to my questions please. Somebody? Anybody? None of the above even touched on them. <sigh>

In short, if my puter can get scores of 4.2 MOS, 98%, Jitter 2%, ping 7ms, and all the etcs. on a Voip test, then a Voip device sitting next to it and fed from the same Ethernet jack (or the one next to it) should be able to show the same performance, right?

_________________
No trees were cut down in the making of this post, but some electrons were horribly neutertroned in the process!
View user's profile Send private message
ed56
Vonage Forum Evangelist
Vonage Forum Evangelist


Joined: Jun 08, 2007
Posts: 832

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

"In short, if my puter can get scores of 4.2 MOS, 98%, Jitter 2%, ping 7ms, and all the etcs. on a Voip test, then a Voip device sitting next to it and fed from the same Ethernet jack (or the one next to it) should be able to show the same performance, right?"

Yes, but only if the one next to it is no hogging the bandwidth. That is what QOS does, it does not allow the one next to it to hog bandwidth from higher priority traffic. So if the ATA is next to it, it does not get priotitized except by the router it is connected to IF you have QOS enabled on the router, and the priorities set.

_________________
Time Warner Road Runner / Motorola SB5101 Cable Modem / Lniksys E2000 / Vonage VDV21
View user's profile Send private message
ed56
Vonage Forum Evangelist
Vonage Forum Evangelist


Joined: Jun 08, 2007
Posts: 832

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Arthur_lw wrote:
And by some strange coincidence I seem to remember tromping in the gateway's control panel and coming upon some mention of a bunch of games, and ports maybe and whatnot. It was all grayed out but I'll bet if you install one of those games it will be sensed by the gateway and the way will be open for it to function at max.


This sounds like your port forwarding screen that opens ports for certain applications, services and of course games. If the ports are closed they wil not work.

By design, a NAT Router/firewall will have most ports closed. I would seriously doubt that it would open ports on an adhoc basis, as this defeats the security a router/firewall provides.

Sounds like your ISP has closed and locked these ports, since they ar greyed out.

_________________
Time Warner Road Runner / Motorola SB5101 Cable Modem / Lniksys E2000 / Vonage VDV21
View user's profile Send private message
Arthur_lw
Vonage Forum Senior
Vonage Forum Senior


Joined: Jan 26, 2008
Posts: 111

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ed56 wrote:
Sounds like your ISP has closed and locked these ports, since they ar greyed out.

Sorry. Perhaps I misspoke. Grayed out due to no configuration, but the ability to open them is there for the folks who would dare to try. LOL

My guess however is that no special tweaking is necessary by the owner and those games are listed there in the gateway's memory so that if and when you install one the device can recognize your game as a legitimate application as opposed to a trojan or something and let you get out on the 'net with it.

_________________
No trees were cut down in the making of this post, but some electrons were horribly neutertroned in the process!
View user's profile Send private message
Arthur_lw
Vonage Forum Senior
Vonage Forum Senior


Joined: Jan 26, 2008
Posts: 111

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ed56 wrote:
"In short, if my puter can get scores of 4.2 MOS, 98%, Jitter 2%, ping 7ms, and all the etcs. on a Voip test, then a Voip device sitting next to it and fed from the same Ethernet jack (or the one next to it) should be able to show the same performance, right?"

Yes, but only if the one next to it is no hogging the bandwidth. That is what QOS does, it does not allow the one next to it to hog bandwidth from higher priority traffic. So if the ATA is next to it, it does not get priotitized except by the router it is connected to IF you have QOS enabled on the router, and the priorities set.

Well, I have not had any problems with making calls, so either my gateway knows to prioritize Voip traffic by itself or that adjustment you make with the slider in your Vonage account did the trick. I would hope it is the latter.

Well, there is a third possibility... that I never got that far into my available bandwidth to choke off my Vonage device. Maybe that is the crux of the matter. When you try to do this with not a lot of bandwidth to play with you need to locate the device ahead of everything. Still though, if that slider in my account is real and actually works then Vonage has the capability to talk to my router and adjust its QOS for me. From there it is up to me to get with my ISP and see to it that I have enough room to make quality calls, right?

_________________
No trees were cut down in the making of this post, but some electrons were horribly neutertroned in the process!
View user's profile Send private message
whirlwind
New Forum Member
New Forum Member


Joined: Feb 17, 2008
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Well you guys lost me there for a little while with the QOS etc... But
I did understand the upshot, why is the v-portal the first thing in line?????

A light goes off in my head, that since I have installed the Voip box, downloads seem to be a bit slower

Did a real quick test. downloaded a large file with the box in the way and on the other side of the router.
70k download rate turns in 600k wow, not a very scientific experiment but so big and so obvious.

I now have the V-portal plugged into my Linksys router and the phone seems to work fine. I even called the local traffic number to listen to a recording while downloading some big files. No issues.

I guess one tribute to the V-portal box is I didn't have to do anything special with my router to get it to work in this config.

My less than scientific summary. To absolutely guarantee good phone quality on marginal internet connection Vonage has decided to insist that their box goes first. Most of the time this is probably not necessary and actually a detriment to performance of the other home network components.

Just my two and a half cents worth.
If I have any trouble with this arrangement I am sure to be back on this forum, because I bet my first phone call to Vonage will be put the V-portal directly connected to the modem!!!
View user's profile Send private message
Arthur_lw
Vonage Forum Senior
Vonage Forum Senior


Joined: Jan 26, 2008
Posts: 111

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

whirlwind wrote:

70k download rate turns in 600k wow, not a very scientific experiment but so big and so obvious.!!!

Scientifical enough for me. Eek

And just as I suspected all along. Give that boy the grand prize and refund his 2.5˘ to boot !!!

(Get it? Boot? LOL I kill myself.) Razz

_________________
No trees were cut down in the making of this post, but some electrons were horribly neutertroned in the process!
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


All times are GMT - 5 Hours

Vonage Service Plans


Vonage VoIP Members
Members List Members
New patsykf3
New Today 0
Yesterday 0
Total 101029

Who Is On Site
Visitors 2
Members 0
Total 2


Vonage VoIP Forum Members:
Login Here
Not a Member? You can Register Here
As a registered member you will have access to the VoIP Speed Test, Vonage Service Announcements and post comments in the
Vonage VoIP Forums

Site Search
 






†AK and HI residents pay $29.95 shipping. ††Limited time offer. Valid for residents of the United States (&DC), 18 years or older, who open new accounts. Offer good while supplies last and only on new account activations. One kit per account/household. Offer cannot be combined with any other discounts, promotions or plans and is not applicable to past purchases. Good while supplies last. Allow up to 2 weeks for shipping. Other restrictions may apply.

1Unlimited calling and other services for all residential plans are based on normal residential, personal, non-commercial use. A combination of factors is used to determine abnormal use, including but not limited to: the number of unique numbers called, calls forwarded, minutes used and other factors. Subject to our Reasonable Use Policy and Terms of Service.

2Shipping and activation fees waived with 1-year agreement. An Early Termination Fee (with periodic pro-rated reductions) applies if service is terminated before the end of the first 12 months. Additional restrictions may apply. See Terms of Service for details.

HIGH SPEED INTERNET REQUIRED. †VALID FOR NEW LINES ONLY. RATES EXCLUDE INTERNET SERVICE, SURCHARGES, FEES AND TAXES. DEVICE MAY BE REFURBISHED. If you subscribe to plans with monthly minutes allotments, all call minutes placed from both from your home and registered ExtensionsTM phones will count toward your monthly minutes allotment. ExtensionsTM calls made from mobiles use airtime and may incur surcharges, depending on your mobile plan. Alarms, TTY and other systems may not be compatible. Vonage 911 service operates differently than traditional 911. See www.vonage.com/911 for details.

** Certain call types excluded.

www.vonage-forum.com is not an official Vonage support website & is independently operated.
All logos and trademarks are property of their respective owners. All comments are property of their posters.
All other www.vonage-forum.com content is © Copyright 2002 - 2013 by 4Sight Media LLC.

Thinking of signing up for Vonage but have questions?
Business and Residential customers can call Toll Free 24 hours a day at: 1-888-692-8074
No Vonage Promotion Code or Coupon Codes are required at www.vonage.com to receive any special,
best Vonage cheap deals, free sign up offers or discounts.

[ | | | | | ]

Vonage Forum Site Maps

Vonage | VoIP Forum | How VoIP Works | Wiring and Installation Page Two | International Rate Plans 2 | Internet Phone
Promotion | Vonage Review | VoIP | Broadband Phone | Free Month | Rebate | Vonnage | Vontage | VoIP | Phone Service
Phone | llamadas ilimitadas a Mexico | Latest News | VoIP Acronyms | Deal | Philippines Globe Phone | Site Maps

The Vonage Forum provides the Vonage sign up Best Offer Promotion Deal.
If you are considering signing up for Vonage and have found our Vonage News, Customer Reviews, Forums
& all other parts of this site useful, please use our Vonage Sign up page.


Vonage VoIP Phone Service is redefining communications by offering consumers
& small business VoIP Internet phones, an affordable alternative to traditional phone service.
The Vonage VoIP Forum Generated This Page In: 0.27 Seconds and Pages In The Last 60 Seconds
The Vonage VoIP Forum