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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: Networking 2 routers Reply with quote Back to top

I am having a real hard time with this.
Here is my lay out. I got a Dlink router runs verizon FIOS, I have a few computer on it, I than got A Vonage Motorola VT2242 with 2 computers connectetd to it...
How can I connect the 2 routers so i can see all the computers on my network?

the dlink runs 192.168.0.1

the Vonage run 192.168.15.1

I cannot port fwd on the dlink using the Vonage settings, the router gives me an error set not enough port space available.
I been reading the forums, I see things such as DMZ and portforward, but everytime I change setting i lose internet connect and have to reset the router with a pin...

anyone?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I can't explain it any better than natehoy does here.

http://vonage.nmhoy.net/tworouters.html

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:13 pm    Post subject: Still need help Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks,
but I still have trouble.. I want to use option #3 in that post
The shared lan http://vonage.nmhoy.net/tworouters.html
I still don't know how to go about it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hook a computer to the LAN side of the Motorola. Go to its admin page and turn off its DHCP server function. Now run an ethernet cable from one of the LAN ports on the Motorola to a LAN port on the Dlink. Run another cable from a second LAN port on the Motorola to the WAN port on the Motorola. Reboot everything, bringing up your modem, then the Dlink, then the Motorola.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

wow, I have never seen suggestions to an average home user for such a messy configuration. I wish you luck with that mess.

if you would like my opinion, start off by ditching the d-link brand. I'm guessing the motorola is your Vonage Voip device? not sure you'll have much luck having this behind a cheap router, but this is the best way to set up your network with what you have. dlink router has all your computers connected into it. you may use a hub or switch to add more ports if needed. the motorola's wan port should plug into the dlink router as if it was just another computer. don't plug any computers into the motorola router, they would be stuck behind 2 firewalls and the rest of your network wont reach it.

I have a similar setup, with my Vonage device behind a router, but I'm using a sweet little setup called brazil firewall. very reliable this whole past year, I'm happy with it. (although I'm leaving Vonage so I can have more freedom and run a trixbox server)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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wow, I have never seen suggestions to an average home user for such a messy configuration. I wish you luck with that mess.
Well, if you read the guide, it points out several times that the best solution is to buy a switch or hub to add more ethernet ports. That way, only one router is doing the work and all the equipment is on the same subnet. We offered advice to make his existing equipment work and not to simply say go buy more stuff to make it work.

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mattsoft wrote:
wow, I have never seen suggestions to an average home user for such a messy configuration. I wish you luck with that mess.

if you would like my opinion, start off by ditching the d-link brand. I'm guessing the motorola is your Vonage Voip device? not sure you'll have much luck having this behind a cheap router, but this is the best way to set up your network with what you have. dlink router has all your computers connected into it. you may use a hub or switch to add more ports if needed. the motorola's wan port should plug into the dlink router as if it was just another computer. don't plug any computers into the motorola router, they would be stuck behind 2 firewalls and the rest of your network wont reach it.

I have a similar setup, with my Vonage device behind a router, but I'm using a sweet little setup called brazil firewall. very reliable this whole past year, I'm happy with it. (although I'm leaving Vonage so I can have more freedom and run a trixbox server)


You're quite correct, it's messy. And the best advice is to add a simple switch to the LAN and use the Vonage router as a Voip device only, plain and simple. I think my article was pretty clear on that point, but offered the option of reusing the built-in switch for anyone who wanted to "get their geek on" and save (admittedly a very small amount of) money.

Having said that, my WRTP54G ran just fine for over a year in that configuration. So if you don't want to drop an extra $20-30 on a switch, and you really need the LAN ports, it works.

There's a reason why option 3 was listed as option 3, and not 1 or 2. Smile

For the record, I agree on the opinion of D-Link. I've never had good experiences with their product. Their cheap switches hold up pretty well, but that's about the limit I'd trust their gear for.

I like the idea of "old PC firewalls" with a simple switch running the LAN side. I experimented with one (smoothwall) briefly, but my Linksys WRT54G V4 (now sold as a WRT54GL) is a low-power-consumption Linux machine that runs aftermarket firmware (though the built-in stuff ain't half bad).

My little blue Linksys box is certainly not as powerful as brazil, m0n0wall, smoothwall, IPCop, or the other old-PC alternatives, but I also pull far less power, and it's a great little router. But reusing an old PC is most certainly a great option, too, if you have one banging about.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: Networking 2 routers Reply with quote Back to top

cmine wrote:
I am having a real hard time with this.
Here is my lay out. I got a Dlink router runs verizon FIOS, I have a few computer on it, I than got A Vonage Motorola VT2242 with 2 computers connectetd to it...
How can I connect the 2 routers so i can see all the computers on my network?

the dlink runs 192.168.0.1

the Vonage run 192.168.15.1


anyone?


I wonder why you even have a D-Link in the first place. When I signed up for Verizon FIOS the tech came out with an Actiontec gateway. I said I already had a Linksys router and he just shook his head. "This one's better." I didn't argue with him and glad I didn't.

As it turned out I needed the Actiontec anyway when I added FIOS cable TV service as it performs all the necessary functions connected with that portion of the service like VOD (Video on Demand), supplying the settop boxes with updated Program Guide, etc.

Anyway, back to your problem. I have since played with my Linksys to see if I could get it to work as a switch to add more Ethernet ports to my Actiontec gateway. You go into its internal setup and change its IP address from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.2 so it won't conflict with the main one and also you disable DHCP. Once I did that my Actiontec recognized it and assigned it an IP addy of 192.168.1.3 and also recognized all devices plugged into it (puters and Vonage device).

I know you don't have Actiontec but can only talk from personal experience and your predicament may be closely related. Anyway, here is a link that tech support at Linksys gave me and it may help you see how to get an additional piece of equipment to work in harmony with your main router.

http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/linksys.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=3733&lid=3726837401B01

You may still have to call tech support to get it configured correctly though. See this thread:
http://www.vonage-forum.com/ftopic21723.html+second+router

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