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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Vonage and WRT54GL running ddwrt Reply with quote Back to top

Most of the post on this are at least a year old.

I am looking at flashing the WRT54GL router w/ ddwrt in order to help some other network issues. I wanted to get some input on how this will impact my Vonage. Current Router is WRT54GS v7.5 which seems to need a reboot about 3 times a week.

Anyone with experience in this area please post.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I use a WRT54GL with Tomato which is another 3rd party firmware.

It has really helped my stability and my phone call quality.

I really needed something with good QoS because I am a heavy internet user and I also use a Slingbox.

I picked Tomato over DD-WRT because it is so easy to configure, but I have heard very good things about the QoS options in DD-WRT as well.

Now that I'm on the GL and Tomato I only reboot my router every few months and even then sometimes it is just to upgrade to a new version of Tomato.

I know this isn't an exact answer, but I hope you find it helpful.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

A v.7 will not work with Tomato, but now it can work with ddwrt. Nothing but good things will come of flashing it. Although I would recommend Tomato over ddwrt, it just won't work with the crappier versions of the the WRT54GL.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

brian188 wrote:
A v.7 will not work with Tomato, but now it can work with ddwrt. Nothing but good things will come of flashing it. Although I would recommend Tomato over ddwrt, it just won't work with the crappier versions of the the WRT54GL.


Good point. I thought he was talking about getting a new WRT54GL, but now that I read it again, I'm not so sure.

One point to correct though in the post.

Tomato will work with all versions of the WRT54GL, but only with the older versions of the WRT54G or WRT54GS routers. I think Brian just made a typo in his post and added the L on the end accidentally.

Bottom line is this:

You can use Tomato or DD-WRT on any WRT54GL.
You can only use DD-WRT on your current WRT54GS V7.5.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, probably a Freudian slip there. The GL will work with Tomato. I too am a little confused, by which router is which. When I first read it I was thinking he was flashing the GS, now I'm thinking it the GL.

Well, either way to answer the op question. The impact on Vonage will be a positive one. You'll be able to have great control over QoS, port forwarding/triggering, not to mention all the cool logs and graphs. Lol
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:06 pm    Post subject: QOS on Tomato Firmware Reply with quote Back to top

I have seen many posts with you mentioning that you run QOS on tomato firmware. I have been running tomato for quite some time but the QOS settings don't seem to be effective. My family uses the Internet heavily so the effect on call quality is often noticeable.

Can you provide screenshots of your QOS configuration so I can see possibly what I'm doing wrong? Or if you've found a guide that gives some good specifics on configuring this that would helpful too.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:42 am    Post subject: Re: QOS on Tomato Firmware Reply with quote Back to top

elmikke wrote:
I have seen many posts with you mentioning that you run QOS on tomato firmware. I have been running tomato for quite some time but the QOS settings don't seem to be effective. My family uses the Internet heavily so the effect on call quality is often noticeable.

Can you provide screenshots of your QOS configuration so I can see possibly what I'm doing wrong? Or if you've found a guide that gives some good specifics on configuring this that would helpful too.


Well with Tomato it is extremely easy. The hardest part is getting your avg. upstream correct. You should run some speed tests with QoS off, pay particular attention to the UP, not so much the down. Run several at different times of the day.Also do it when there is no activity (not surfing the net, no calls, not downloading movies, etc.) and note the lowest speed. This is where you will want to start the Max Bandwidth field, on the QoS basic settings tab. After starting with the lowest you might want to bump it up a little. Run a speed test with QoS on, then run it again with it off, and not the difference. THIS SETTING IS BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT!!! If it is set too high or too low you'll have problems.

As for inbound I set it to 999999 because I do not want QoS to deal with inbound traffic because I have more than enough to handle whatever I throw at it. Outbound is limited (for me atleast) to just under a meg.

After that is set all you need to do is add the MAC address of you adapter to the Classification tad and give it the highest priority. If you are comfortable you can set up others too, such as port 80 high, P2P lowest, etc., etc.

The default settings for the other classification settings should be ok.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

My rules are fairly simple to explain.

I use the default outbound rules, but add three entries on the top.

I have two Vonage devices and they both get Highest class. I also run a Slingbox and it gets High.

Everything else if is the default setup. The first three entries are set by MAC address.

Line 1: Vonage Device 1, Class Highest
Line 2: Vonage Device 2, Class Highest
Line 3: Slingbox, Class High
Line 4 and on, default

And as Brian mentions, setting your avergae upstream correctly is very important, otherwise the setting will allocate too much bandwidth to the lower priority entries and there will not be enough for Voip.

Here are a few places I have looked to get help on QoS, although not all Tomato specific.

A site by Nate Hoy a frequent poster on this site: http://vonage.nmhoy.net/

www.linksysinfo.org - site on linksys devices in general. There are specific threads on Tomato, DD-WRT and many of the other 3rd party firmwares.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:32 am    Post subject: Tomato VoIP Reply with quote Back to top

I can already tell a difference! Thanks for the prompt reply and great assistance.

I am still working the upload balance as Brian mentioned but should be able to work that out soon enough. Seems to fluctuate quite a bit. If I'm using the SpeadEasy speedtest do you recommend the nearest jumping off point or should it be an average of all available locations?

Thanks again!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I would use a single site to test with and the closest location is fine.

This way the results are consistent regarding your upstream bandwidth.

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