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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:59 am    Post subject: brand new construction, need help. Reply with quote Back to top

I have a new home with bare wires sticking out for phone. I never had phone service connected, so I'm starting from scratch.

My setup: I have Vonage router in office direct connected to wireless phone at present. I would like to wire Vonage to all phone outlets in house.

I know that I will have to isolate which phone wire is connected to office jack on the outside, this wire will then act as the "phone company".

So then I have to wire all the rest of the wires on "something" to this office line (which I will plug the Vonage router into).

So my questions are, how do I do this? I'm guessing I'm doing the part the phone company would normally do, which would be to patch all the wires together and hook them to the phone company's hot wire.

What tools do I need and so forth? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

If it is true phone line, it is color coded (4 different colors). The modular jacks are color coded the same. Just hook up color to color. Only 2 of the lines are actually used in a 1 line phone but if you hook all up, you will be fine.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I guess what I'm looking for is what is the best way to hook up all the wires?

I have about 8 wires sticking out of the side of my house, what is the best way to connect them all?

In essence, I have to build my own NID, just without the line from the phone company. I obviously know how to connect 1 wire to another (this would only network 2 jacks), but I would like to do all of them.

So what hardware can I use to accomplish this?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Well, first off, the sticky message at the top of this forum is very good, but maybe more than you're interested in. Nevertheless, you should give it a read.

To get started, do any of the jack outlets in your house actually have jacks installed in them, or are they empty boxes except for the wires inside? Is there a panel to which the wires are all run? Do you actually have unconnected wires sticking out of the side of your house? If I understand you right, you do have 8. Are there 8 wires or 8 cables with multiple wires in each?

Most older houses, and some new houses, have just one cable (with four or more wires inside it) that runs from the outside through each of the inside jack boxes. Other new houses have more sophisticated wiring, with individual cables running from each jack box to a central point. Can you tell which setup you have?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for the reply Steve,

All the phone outlets in the house are jacked. From what I can tell, they wired the house as a star network, with seperate lines for each jack all coming out of the side of the house. The coax is installed the same way, all individual wires for each jack coming out of the side of the house.

I have 8 separate sheathed wires coming out, which I assume each have 2 pairs in them, but I'll need to double check that.

So what I'm looking for is a quick and safe way to wire them all up, nice and tidy.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:31 pm    Post subject: Hooking up the phone wires outside your house in new house Reply with quote Back to top

Two issues here:
- What to do with all those wires sticking out of the side of the house?
- Which wires correspond with which lines (line 1, line 2, etc)?

Your phone wiring is very probably Cat 5 or Cat 5E if new. This will have 8 conductors or 4 twisted pairs per cable.

The cheapest thing to do with the wires outside the house would be to buy an OUTDOOR GRADE electrical junction box (such as you might mount an outdoor floodlight to), run the wires in through the back or bottom, and connect the like-colored wires together as needed. Remember to seal in a waterproof manner.

Another option would be to buy a network interface device (NID) – the grey box you see for the phone connection on the outside of the house and use that. (These are also known as network interface units and demarc boxes). You can then install the NID and it would look like a “normal” phone box and also be ready for a phone connection.

http://www.hometech.com/techwire/demarc.html

It is standard practice to connect 2 lines so I recommend connecting the blue and orange pairs. That is, connect all the BLUE/white together, all the WHITE/blue together, all the ORANGE/white together, all the WHITE/orange together. See more below for the color scheme.

For 3 lines add the green pair.

Note- some residential jacks (inside the house) don’t even support the 3rd pair.



More on the colors:

The old color scheme for phone wiring was green and red for phone line 1 (“Christmas” as a mnemonic), black and yellow for phone line 2 (“Halloween”) and, very rarely, blue and white for line 3.


With Cat 5/5E, the pairs consist of wires with insulation that will be mostly one color with white stripes twisted with a wire that has mostly white with stripes of the same color.

Line 1 is BLUE/white, WHITE/blue

Line 2 is ORANGE/white, WHITE/orange

Line 3 is GREEN/white, WHITE/green

If you use a fourth line, it’s the brown/white pair.

Website with details:
http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/phone_wiring.html
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I just checked, I've got Cat5E out there, so 4 pairs. I'm only going to hook up 2 pairs.

Seems the simplest thing to do will be buy a basic box to store the wires in, then connect them all.

This is what I'm not exactly sure of. What is the best way to connect 6 wires together? Will a screw type connector work? What would be the best physical way to connect all the conductors? You mentioned making sure its waterproof, can you share any specifics besides putting silicone over the eventual connections?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Screw type connectors should be fine. Alternately, you can use insulating crimps and hook things together that way, with the box just providing protection from the weather. That wouldn't be real tidy, but it would work.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I would recommend mounting the *outdoor* junction box a little above where the telephone cables exit your house. That way the cables can be routed into the junction box from below (helps with water not getting into the box).

Once in the box I’d recommend connecting the blue and orange pairs as described in my previous posting.

Seal where the cables enter the junction box with something like outdoor silicone caulking.

As far as the connectors….

Example of a connector which may work for you:

http://www.wirenut.com/prodDetail.do?prodId=30-061&div=0&l1=twist-on
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