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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:53 am    Post subject: router-adapter evil, adapter-only good Reply with quote Back to top

More and more of the threads here involve cascaded NAT routers, due primarily to the fact(s) that Vonage pushes router/adapter combos, no longer offers an adapter-only, and most people already have a router.

Some people probably think "oh good, a way to get a 'free' wireless access point" when they sign up for Vonage.

Life would be so much easier for everyone (forum members, customers and even Vonage itself) if they only sold adapter-only units.

Nat routers should have two ports - WAN an LAN. Switches should be just switches. Wireless access points should be just that - with a single LAN connection. Voip adapters should have a single LAN connection. Life would be good.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I agree, to a point, but you can still use that NAT router as a Vonage adapter only, and you can even leverage its switch and wireless access point and NOT use it as a router, with some clever setup and wiring.

http://vonage.nmhoy.net/tworouters.html

My WRTP54G stinks as a router, but as a Vonage device it rocks. And I get a couple of extra LAN ports on my network wiring it like Option Three in the article above.

Of course, my primary router already has a wireless access point, but I can turn on the access point on my Vonage WRTP54G, and it works just fine, allowing my primary router to issue IP addresses. At the moment, I have two laptops on wireless, one connected to the Vonage WAP and the other connected to my Linksys WRT54G V4's WAP, and they are coexisting quite nicely (on different channels, of course).

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I agree (except with your last paragraph :p). But most people don't have a router in their homes. Vonage is becoming more consumer-oriented and that's why they need MTAs. I believe some stores still sell PAP2 tho. Still you can just turn off NAT, DHCP and such on say, VT2142 and just use it as an ATA.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Blackjack wrote:
I agree (except with your last paragraph :p). But most people don't have a router in their homes. Vonage is becoming more consumer-oriented and that's why they need MTAs. I believe some stores still sell PAP2 tho. Still you can just turn off NAT, DHCP and such on say, VT2142 and just use it as an ATA.


Anyone who is a Verizon FiOS subscriber has a router and has no choice - the modem they provide is an Actiontec modem/router/wireless router combo.

I have FiOS, and am thinking of getting Vonage. Already worried that my relatively small amount of knowledge of things like networks, IP addresses, etc. will make this a nightmare of colossal proportions getting everything to work.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Just to make this point really clear - just because the device you may get from Vonage HAS routing CAPABILITIES, you do not have to use them in any way, shape, or form.

If you plug a good Internet connection into the WAN/Internet port of the Vonage device, a telephone into the PHONE1 port, and power into the power plug, you will have a perfectly functional Vonage adapter that happens to have some extra fancy blinkenlights and a few empty holes where Ethernet cables could possibly go if you ever wanted.

By the same token, you could buy a microwave oven and use it as a night light, by just never cooking anything in it. (grin)

If you want to get fancier, you can use the Wireless access point AND/OR the switch on your primary LAN segment by doing some special configuration of your router as shown in option 3 here: http://vonage.nmhoy.net/tworouters.html

However, a Vonage router/WAP/adapter can still serve as a Vonage adapter. Just don't use what you don't need, and you're good to go.

The nice part about having the all-in-one from Vonage is that, should you move somewhere where you need a router, it's there if you need it. Some people set up a separate, protected LAN behind their Vonage router, then they can feel more comfy making their primary wireless access point public, for example. Or you may want two wireless LANs for another reason. Or you could configure the Vonage WAP as shown above, set its configuration to be identical to your main WAP, and have a crude repeater or better wireless coverage. The possibilities are endless, but OPTIONAL.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

But you and I are hardly "typical" Vonage users, eh?

My first WAP was a Belkin POS that I bought because it was cheap (always a mistake) and claimed to be able to operate in AP-only mode. Unfortunatel, when so configured it locked up. So I just ended up disabling NAT and DHCP, ignoring the WAN interface and using one of the 4 LAN ports to connect to my network. But even with the excellent instructions on your web site, I can't really see my father configuring such things properly :-) It was later replaced with a D-link WAP (no router, no switch).

I'm down to the point where my only "violation" of my own guidelines is that my NAT router has 4 gig-E ports. One to an 8-port switch in the attic, one to an 8-port switch in the basement, the other two to servers. My next purchase will be an 8-port gig-E switch at which time everything will move to it, with only one of the router's LAN ports in use (connecting to the new switch).

Why do I want to bother? My standby backup router has 10/100 ports only. Once I put in the new switch I can switch to the standby router by moving only two cables (LAN and WAN) and I won't loose gig-E access to the servers.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

mjstraw wrote:
But you and I are hardly "typical" Vonage users, eh?[...] But even with the excellent instructions on your web site, I can't really see my father configuring such things properly Smile It was later replaced with a D-link WAP (no router, no switch).


I hear you. I've walked more people than I'd care to count through getting various (and sometimes deeply bizarre) network configurations up and running, though. The diagrams seem to get people off to a good start, but I still get a few PM's and email exchanges a week for people who need a little extra hand-holding and don't want to have a thread on the forum.

The web site is a starting point, for the "average" somewhat-network-savvy person. If you can figure out how to find wireless networks and connect to them in Windows, you can probably, with a little patience, configure even the more-complicated "option 3" network.

But, for those who already have a router, there are two things at work.

1. If you already have a router, you don't have to use all of the features of the Vonage all-in-one.

2. If you follow Vonage's instructions and plug everything into the Vonage device, then you are simply behind an extra router. For security purposes, this actually isn't a bad idea. For performance.. well, for the average user who isn't even aware that their FIRST adapter is really already a router, they seriously won't see a difference...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Let's also not forget that Vonage all-in-ones have a poor track record with respect the robustness of their routing functions. Can anyone say VWR?

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mjstraw wrote:
Let's also not forget that Vonage all-in-ones have a poor track record with respect the robustness of their routing functions. Can anyone say VWR?

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Oh, agreed, assuming you need QoS or use BitTorrent or other P2P apps, forget the Vonage routers...

For the most part, though, they aren't terribly bad. I know a couple of people who are perfectly happy with them. Of course, these same people were happy with clearance rack D-Link routers or low end NetGear ones to start with, so you know their demands aren't high...

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