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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: How much upload speed does Vonage use ? Reply with quote Back to top

I ran the tests and I consistently get approx 4.5MB D/L & 450kb Upload.

BUT as soon as I'm on the phone, my DL speed will stay the same but my Upload will go all the way down into the 100-150 range. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to change it?

Reason I ask is that I play alot of games online and don't want it sucking up anymore bandwidth than it should. Below is my setup:

Motorola Surfboard SB4100 (it's not 2.0 but it's worked for many years)
Linksys router RT31P2 (supplied by Vonage)

1 computer & Xbox 360 hooked directly into router. Tests were done with no P2P, Xbox or anything else running. Just done while using/not using the cordless phone I have plugged into the router.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Vonage required minimum of 90 kbps upload/download speed but you should have at least 180 kbps of stable connection to make it work,
your Modem DOCSIS version should be also at least V2.0 so you will not to have the audio issues some Vonage customer have !
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Ghazal wrote:
Vonage required minimum of 90 kbps upload/download speed but you should have at least 180 kbps of stable connection to make it work,
your Modem DOCSIS version should be also at least V2.0 so you will not to have the audio issues some Vonage customer have !
hope that will help Smile


I don't have any audio issues at all. I just was wondering what the normal "drop" in upload speed was when using the phone.

Seems like 300kb is alot.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hmm, no that's not normal. There may be some issue with the QoS engine on your RT31P2. You might want to try disabling QoS on the RT31P2 temporarily to see if it makes a difference.

A little primer on QoS: http://vonage.nmhoy.net/qos.html

In your case, the RT31P2 may be picking a slower upload speed than your connection really supports. When there are no high-priority packets, it may not do any throttling of the rest of your bandwidth, but when the Vonage line is in use it may be underestimating the remaining available bandwidth.

PS: Just for clarity. I have (measured) 200kbps of upload speed, running on a DOCSIS 1.0 modem. Vonage (in the standard 90kbps quality setting) takes up just about 90-95 kbps upstream bandwidth on my connection.

I can assure you that you do NOT need more than the 90kbps, plus maybe another 10kbps for overhead, for a stable Vonage experience. You also do not need a DOCSIS 2.0 modem. It may improve things with your actual connection (if your ISP does not support DOCSIS 1.0 or 1.0 well any more), but it isn't necessary for Vonage.

If your bandwidth tests show a good MOS score, DOCSIS is irrelevant. My Vonage line is as clear as a landline, and always has been (once I upgraded to a non-Vonage router due to the QoS issues I mention in my article).

One thing you may need is a router that can do a decent job at QoS. The Linksys WRT54GL is my personal favorite, others around here like the StreamEngine-based automatic Voip accelerators like the Hawking HBB1.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Does the WRT54GL have phone ports or do I need an adapter? I assume Vonage won't send me an adapter for free since they sent me the modem already?

And is the WRT54GL still available for purchase at big box retailers?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

KevinPWDW wrote:
Does the WRT54GL have phone ports or do I need an adapter? I assume Vonage won't send me an adapter for free since they sent me the modem already?

And is the WRT54GL still available for purchase at big box retailers?


The WRT54GL does NOT have phone ports. I see where CompUSA has it for $68.99 by delivery only, it's not carried in the stores. You may also want to check a couple of other online retailers newegg.com and provantage.com which are very reputable online retailers among others.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Darrell_G's pretty much got it covered, but...

The WRT54GL is just a router. It would go between your Vonage router and the Internet, you'd hook your computer(s) up to it and not the Vonage router, and your current Vonage router would become ONLY a Vonage device.

Unfortunately, the WRT54GL is not generally available retail. Buffalo makes a cheaper router series, the Buffalo WHR-G54S/WHR-HP-G54, that may be more available big-box.

The real power of the WRT54GL is the ability to run all sorts of aftermarket firmware to really make the unit more powerful. The Buffalo series can also take some forms of aftermarket firmware, but not as many.

My current favorite aftermarket firmware for the WRT54GL and Buffalo series mentioned above is Tomato: http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

FYI -

According to the online web account, features link, bandwidth saver --

30k / 60k / 90k settings depending on what you pick.

I assume it's more of an audio stream, so it would be 30k down and up simultaneously.

So, you need 30k up and down, minimum, with that setting. And, I assume too if you're doing 3-way calls, you'll need twice as much, maybe more.

Also for the record I had a DOCSIS 1.0 modem for a while and my quality's been fine. I recently upgraded to 1.1 and notice no difference, but then again when it's perfect, you can't improve.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have the Linksys WRT54g and I get disconnected frequently from the wireless network.

I have used the 3rd party software and still doesn't help. I am thinking about getting the Linksys wireless Voip unit and see if they keeps me connected.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

If that's a third-party wireless router there's not really much you can do, the only thing I can think of is to figure out what the signal's going through... TV's and Microwaves are absolutely trouble for wireless signals.

You could also log into your linksys and crank the power up a bit on the transmission rate, see if that does anything for you... or try another channel.
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