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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

mjstraw wrote:
You might try defining a "service" that is any traffic to/from your Vonage adapter.

Then bind that service to one wan interface and see if that helps.

Mark

Thanks Mark. I have looked at this. The "define service" option in the FVS124G does not allow specifying an IP address. I wish it did. The only option is to specifiy a port or port range. I have created services for RTP(10000-25000), SIP(5060-5070), TFTP(69,2400), DNS(53), and NTP(123). The only protocol not bound to WAN1 is HTTP(80).

I know you guys don't do Netgear support and I don't expect that. Just looking for ideas. So thanks for your response.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

It's unclear from the Netgear docs, but either 1.30 or 1.33 is "certified" to be SIP compliant. You might want to give 1.33 a try.

For the binding, I think I'd try service=any where the local/lan IP address is that of your Vonage adapter rather than trying to bind all the different protocols.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have an fvs318v1, an fvs124g and an fvx538v1 that I play around with. Glad to help out with what little I know.

When you bind a service, make the service=any and set the source network to be a single address - that of your Vonage adapter. You shouldn't need to define a new service (it's the 318 where you need to specify addresses/subnets in the service definitions)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:03 pm    Post subject: Setting up Netgear FVS124G with load balancing for Vonage Reply with quote Back to top

mjstraw wrote:
I have an fvs318v1, an fvs124g and an fvx538v1 that I play around with. Glad to help out with what little I know.

When you bind a service, make the service=any and set the source network to be a single address - that of your Vonage adapter. You shouldn't need to define a new service (it's the 318 where you need to specify addresses/subnets in the service definitions)


Success!! For some reason I did not grok the simple logic of this from reading the Netgear docs or the forum messages. The whole rules/services thing was just a little obtuse to me.

I killed off all my Vonage port-specific services and rules and did three simple rules:
- an inbound service allowing any/all to the Vonage device on WAN1
- an outbound service allowing any/all to the Vonage device
- a protocol binding rule binding any/all for the Vonage device to WAN1

Works like a charm. Thanks a bunch.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:04 pm    Post subject: Setting up Netgear FVS124G with load balancing for Vonage Reply with quote Back to top

mjstraw wrote:
I have an fvs318v1, an fvs124g and an fvx538v1 that I play around with. Glad to help out with what little I know.

When you bind a service, make the service=any and set the source network to be a single address - that of your Vonage adapter. You shouldn't need to define a new service (it's the 318 where you need to specify addresses/subnets in the service definitions)


Success!! For some reason I did not grok the simple logic of this from reading the Netgear docs or the forum messages. The whole rules/services thing was just a little obtuse to me.

I killed off all my Vonage port-specific services and rules and did three simple rules:
- an inbound service allowing any/all to the Vonage device on WAN1
- an outbound service allowing any/all to the Vonage device
- a protocol binding rule binding any/all for the Vonage device to WAN1

Works like a charm. Thanks a bunch.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Glad you got it to work.

If you get a chance, how about trying it without the inbound and outbound rules and just the binding in place.

I'm curious if they are necessary. I've never encountered a router with SIP support that need any forwarding/opening thru the firewall.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

mjstraw wrote:
Glad you got it to work.

If you get a chance, how about trying it without the inbound and outbound rules and just the binding in place.

I'm curious if they are necessary. I've never encountered a router with SIP support that need any forwarding/opening thru the firewall.


Mark,

I'm currently running firmware v1.1.30 and have disabled all SIP support in the router per instructions over at the Netgear site. Firmware 1.1.33 does claim SIP support and to have been tested with Vonage in North America. But until I upgrade to that (or something later but 1.1.38 was a disaster for me) I will leave SIP disabled and the Inbound/Outbound rules in place.

One thing I did realize is that you can't have any conflicting rules. I had to make sure all other binding rules excluded the IP of the Vonage device, or else the router got confused and calls were not possible. So my Vonage device(s) now has an address of xxx.xxx.xxx.10, and all other rules are applied to the address range xxx.xxx.xxx.11-254.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I saw your posting about this over on the Netgear forum. My only "concern" is that your inbound rule basically defines the Vonage device as a catch-all (aka DMZ) device which opens it up to all sorts of probing from the Internet. As long as it's firmware is properly written you should be OK but it would be better if you could get away without it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

mjstraw wrote:
I saw your posting about this over on the Netgear forum. My only "concern" is that your inbound rule basically defines the Vonage device as a catch-all (aka DMZ) device which opens it up to all sorts of probing from the Internet. As long as it's firmware is properly written you should be OK but it would be better if you could get away without it.


This is an issue I have considered. It's simple to remove the inbound rule and see what happens. I'll probably test it this weekend.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

mjstraw wrote:
I saw your posting about this over on the Netgear forum. My only "concern" is that your inbound rule basically defines the Vonage device as a catch-all (aka DMZ) device which opens it up to all sorts of probing from the Internet. As long as it's firmware is properly written you should be OK but it would be better if you could get away without it.

Mark


I killed the inbound rule with, as far as I can tell, no adverse effects on Voip call quality. So far, so good.

It seems to me that another way to address the inbound port issue, if it becomes a problem, would be port triggering. But that doesn't work under 1.1.30. Release notes on 1.1.33 state "Fixed port triggering not working issue." If I have a problem maybe I'll go to 1.1.33 and experiment.

I will add a note to my post over on the Netgear forum to delete the Inbound rule.

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