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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:11 am    Post subject: Port Forwarding Question once again Reply with quote Back to top

Ok, here is the situation I have. I am running a cable internet, Linksys WRT54G and the Vonage 2442.

Now to port forward the ports do I forward the ports on the Linksys router or the Vonage adapter?

When I am downloading Bittorrents I have to stop the downloading otherwise the call quality goes downhill.

I have opened the ports for Utorrent on the Linksys router and the downloading is really fast.

Thanks for the support,

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

you need to port forward any router that the traffic is going through. How do you have your network configured? You probably need to either put the VT2442 as your outermost router (and deal with its shortcomings) or get software for your WRT54G which will do QOS traffic shaping.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:23 am    Post subject: my setup Reply with quote Back to top

I have the cable modem, Linksys router and then the Vonage adapter.

I have also had the Linksys router last, but had trouble with the file sharing settings.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

If the machine running the bittorrent client is connected to the outermost router, then you only need to do port forwarding on that router. If the machine running the bittorrent client is connected to the innermost router, then you'll have to do port forwarding on both, and you'll be dealing with double NAT.

If everything will work with the VT2442 alone (leaving out the WRT54G for the moment), then make it the outermost router. You can also use the WRT54G, not as a router, but as a WiFi gateway, by making sure that only one of the two routers is doing DHCP, that the LAN addresses use the same subnet but different IPs, outside the DHCP range, and connecting the LAN port of the WRT54G to the LAN port of the VT2442, and not connecting anything at all to the WAN port of the WRT54G. The WRT54G is now just a switch and WiFi bridge, and knows nothing about protocols, ports, etc., at a level that you should normally care about.

Then the VT2442 will make sure that your voice traffic gets enough priority so that it sounds ok.

If you must have the WRT54G as the outermost router, then you have two options: 1: Get QOS/TOS software for it, maybe OpenWRT, so that it saves enough bandwidth for Vonage when the Bittorrents are running or 2: put the Bittorrent client on the LAN side of the VT2442 and let the VT2442's QOS service make sure the torrents don't eat all your bandwidth.

One other way: What I do, with Azureus, is use the Azureus max bandwidth settings to be sure that Azureus itself limits the amount of my 20Mb down/5 Mb up are being used. I let Azureus have about 4Mb down and 3Mb up. You probably don't have that much bandwidth (Verizon FiOS is NICE), and will have to limit it even more. Also, don't forget to multiply the Azureus numbers by 8 since they're in Bytes, not bits.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I do need the wireless capability because I run 2 laptops and also my printer is wireless, I plug that into the Linksys router.

I will try this today:

" You can also use the WRT54G, not as a router, but as a WiFi gateway, by making sure that only one of the two routers is doing DHCP, that the LAN addresses use the same subnet but different IPs, outside the DHCP range, and connecting the LAN port of the WRT54G to the LAN port of the VT2442, and not connecting anything at all to the WAN port of the WRT54G. The WRT54G is now just a switch and WiFi bridge, and knows nothing about protocols, ports, etc., at a level that you should normally care about. "

I am willing to try anything, I hate shutting down the bittorrent to use the phone.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You'll be more likely to succeed with the following more explicit settings; others would work as long as they produce the same results, but if you're asking the questions you asked, you might not get the same results.

1. Connect up everything but the WRT54G and get everything working with wired connections through the VT2442.

2. Look at the inside address. It will be something like 192.168.x.y.

3. Look at the DHCP range for the VT2442. It will be something like 192.168.x.1-192.168.x.99. The range of allowed values for y is from 1 to 254, not including whatever the LAN address of the VT2442 is. The DHCP range can be all or part of that range. You want it to be most, but not all of it for what we're doing here.

4. With the WRT54G connected to NOTHING BUT POWER, log into its admin interface with either a Wireless connection or a wired connection directly into it.

5. Set its LAN address to something in the 192.168.x.* range, picking the last digit to be something which is NOT in either the VT2442s DHCP range or in the WRT54G's DHCP range. x must be the same as on the VT2442. Save and restart the WRT54G, and release and renew your DHCP address to fetch a new address from the WRT54Gs DHCP server.

6. Make sure you can talk to the WRT54G. If you can't, you'll have to factory reset it and start over. Keep it disconnected from the rest of your network, and be sure that the computer you're using to configure it is not connected to anything but the WRT54G during all of this process.

7. Write down the LAN address of the WRT54G on a piece of tape and stick it to the WRT54G. Turn off the DHCP server in the WRT54G, and save and restart. You will from now on, when the WRT54G is not connected to anything with a DHCP server in that same 192.168.x.* subnet, have to manually configure an IP address to be able to talk to the WRT54G. Of course, you can always factory reset it to get the DHCP server going again, but that will also change your subnet, so you would have to go back to step 5.

8. Connect a LAN port of the WRT54G to a LAN port of the VT2442.

You should now be able to get DHCP addresses directly from the VT2442 even if you're plugged into one of the other WRT54G LAN ports or using its wireless. If you need to look inside the WRT54G, you can specify that address you wrote on top of it.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:12 pm    Post subject: more great help Reply with quote Back to top

sounds like I am going to have some fun this afternoon. I will try this in a bit, watching the Blue Jays and the Indians Spring training game, and "borrowing" a movie from the internet.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Port forwarding/opening should be an issue of work/not work, not an issue of performance/quality. In other words, if it works at all, then forwarding/opening ports won't help Voip performance during a torrent download.

QoS only helps outbound voice (ie what the other end hears) not go to crap when doing a torrent upload (or other outbound traffic).

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

mjstraw wrote:
QoS only helps outbound voice (ie what the other end hears) not go to crap when doing a torrent upload (or other outbound traffic).


Well that would depend on whether your router has QoS traffic shaping queues only for outbound or for both in and outbound traffic.

roscopco might be better off just setting the limits in his torrent client.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

QoS shaping on inbound would only help if he was suffering from LAN congestion/overload. If it's an overloaded broadband connection inbound then QoS on his router wouldn't help.

I agree - he needs to throttle the download application.

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