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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Must I use a Vonage Router? Reply with quote Back to top

I'm setting up a new LAN that will include Vonage, Macs, Printers, Airport Extreme Base Stations, etc. I'll need a router to connect to the cable modem. For Vonage to work must I use one of theirs or can I buy one I prefer? If I have to use a Vonage Router, which do you recommend? I'd prefer one that includes a gig switch, but can add that separately. Is the Vonage Router configurable for port mapping, and remote admin, DHCP, NAT, like other routers?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Must I use a Vonage Router? Reply with quote Back to top

MacWizDude wrote:
I'm setting up a new LAN that will include Vonage, Macs, Printers, Airport Extreme Base Stations, etc. I'll need a router to connect to the cable modem. For Vonage to work must I use one of theirs or can I buy one I prefer? If I have to use a Vonage Router, which do you recommend? I'd prefer one that includes a gig switch, but can add that separately. Is the Vonage Router configurable for port mapping, and remote admin, DHCP, NAT, like other routers?
Yes the Vonage routers has all the Features which you have mentioned......
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Must I use a Vonage Router? Reply with quote Back to top

MacWizDude wrote:
I'm setting up a new LAN that will include Vonage, Macs, Printers, Airport Extreme Base Stations, etc. I'll need a router to connect to the cable modem. For Vonage to work must I use one of theirs or can I buy one I prefer? If I have to use a Vonage Router, which do you recommend? I'd prefer one that includes a gig switch, but can add that separately. Is the Vonage Router configurable for port mapping, and remote admin, DHCP, NAT, like other routers?


No, you definitely don't need to use the Vonage router as the edge router. Actually, it's not recommended you do.

It seems that most folks like Hawking and Linksys routers. Personally, I have a Cisco 1711, but you'll be fine with one of the others.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Must I use a Vonage Router? Reply with quote Back to top

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MacWizDude wrote:
I'm setting up a new LAN that will include Vonage, Macs, Printers, Airport Extreme Base Stations, etc. I'll need a router to connect to the cable modem. For Vonage to work must I use one of theirs or can I buy one I prefer? If I have to use a Vonage Router, which do you recommend? I'd prefer one that includes a gig switch, but can add that separately. Is the Vonage Router configurable for port mapping, and remote admin, DHCP, NAT, like other routers?
Yes the Vonage routers has all the Features which you have mentioned......


But no, you don't have to use a Vonage device as your router. In fact the DLink VTA is not a router simply a Vonage adapter. However, if you go this route you may want to make certain whatever non-Vonage router you choose allows you to prioritize Voip traffic. Alternatively you can put the Vonage device in front of an alternate router, but this is a more complex administration problem.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have SO been waiting for a topic like this to give you the router you need. Screw the Vonage stuff as your gateway; you need a REAL router. The one I just bought is a Linksys WRVS4400N Wireless VPN Security Router. Man, has it got some fun stuff. Here's some features for you:

Retail: $167.00 on amazon.com
Ports: 1 Uplink, 4 ports GIG-enabled switch
VPN endpoint with downloadable VPN client software for remote users. (Radius support too)
Wireless Modes: B/G/N
Intrusion Protection System (IPS) with upgradable definitions
Advanced Firewall with user configured ACL's (Access LIsts)
QOS, both port-enabled and application
Remote access from outside of network.
Email Alerts for IPS activity
Dimensions: 7"x7"x2"
Heat Generation: Low
Noise Generation: Low

I love this router and was willing to pay the price for the great features. I've had it up for 3 weeks now, with NO problems, and one reboot due to ISP outage. I installed a GIG Ethernet card in my PC and connected it directly to the router and WOW, the speed difference was great. Streaming audio/video runs well too, as I'm sure Voip and web conferencing systems would as well. I really, really recommend this router as a gateway router.

Can ya tell I love it? Lol

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Don't hold back, Dave. Tell us what you really think Cool .

For what it's worth, I agree with several posters that a non-Vonage router should be used as the primary router for the sort of network described. With QoS.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:58 am    Post subject: vonage adapter Reply with quote Back to top

You have to use the Vonage adapter (router or whatever you want to call it.) I don't connect any computers to the Vonage router, I do that through my linksys because I require a wireless router.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:14 am    Post subject: Re: vonage adapter Reply with quote Back to top

[quote="roscopco"]You have to use the Vonage adapter (router or whatever you want to call it.)[/quote]

Big difference between "adapter" and "router"

You'll notice that in the current "product" offerings, the Motorola stuff is described as "phone adapter with router" while the d-link vta is "phone adapter" (the d-link vwr is "phone adapter with wireless router")

To further confuse things, some of the connection diagrams Vonage provides show "phone adapter with router" units used in conjunction with other routers. While this can work, you end up double-NATting things which is ugly.

As others have suggested, I recommend selecting a non-vonage router that has all the features you need for your network (VoIP and non-VoIP uses) and then use a simple phone adapter like the VTA behind it.

I also agree that one of the router features you'll need (for Voip use of the network) is QOS.

As an example of why I prefer discrete components, consider that "back in the day" the thing to have was a honking big do-everything entertainment center. FM radio, stereo turntable, [color] TV, speakers all in one unit. But what happened when the TV went out? You were forced to fix it in order to keep the radio/turntable even though there were better TVs available by then.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: vonage adapter Reply with quote Back to top

mjstraw wrote:
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You have to use the Vonage adapter (router or whatever you want to call it.)


Big difference between "adapter" and "router"

You'll notice that in the current "product" offerings, the Motorola stuff is described as "phone adapter with router" while the d-link vta is "phone adapter" (the d-link vwr is "phone adapter with wireless router")

To further confuse things, some of the connection diagrams Vonage provides show "phone adapter with router" units used in conjunction with other routers. While this can work, you end up double-NATting things which is ugly.

As others have suggested, I recommend selecting a non-vonage router that has all the features you need for your network (VoIP and non-VoIP uses) and then use a simple phone adapter like the VTA behind it.

I also agree that one of the router features you'll need (for Voip use of the network) is QOS.

As an example of why I prefer discrete components, consider that "back in the day" the thing to have was a honking big do-everything entertainment center. FM radio, stereo turntable, [color] TV, speakers all in one unit. But what happened when the TV went out? You were forced to fix it in order to keep the radio/turntable even though there were better TVs available by then.

Mark


OK, so I understand that I can use any Router I choose. But, must I use a "phone adapter" like the d-link vta? I'm assuming I do, since I'll need an RJ11 jack to plug the phone into and Routers have RJ45's. When I order the Vonage Service what hardware do I tell them I need (assuming I'll be getting my own Router)?

I also like separate components rather than all-in-one's. That's why I'll likely get a basic router with QoS capability, then add a Gig Switch, and the new Airport Extreme Base Station (for wireless capability).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Yes, you'll need a "phone adapter". It's more than just a place to plug into. It takes care of the "VoIP stuff", provides dialtone, etc.

The only choice you have, given Vonage's current offerings, is the D-link VTA

There is nothing to keep you from physically plugging an RJ11 plug into an RJ45 jack - it will just connect to the center 6 pins. Everything in my house is RJ45. What matters is what's "behind" the jack.

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