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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:52 pm    Post subject: tapping VOIP Reply with quote Back to top

Hi all, Is it possible for any one to tap my Vonage phone linend listen to conversation. I am in India currently, and my neighbour recently made some comments refering my personal info.

Please clarify.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I suppose any internet connection can be tapped into but it would require a bit of work and most likely it isn't being done by your neighbor unless he/she has good equipment. Most likely, he/she overheard your conversations, etc.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:09 pm    Post subject: More Questions About Security Reply with quote Back to top

Greeting to all, I'm a new member so please excuse or by all means correct any breaches in protocol. I just got off the phone with Comcast sales trying to get me to change to their Voip, this ladies sales pitch was that Vonage has a totally unsecure system and that my personal information was at risk from people listening in. I don't remember there being a warning from Vonage not to discuss personal or banking info on the phone. I'm not terribly paranoid but with identity theft being the problem that it is I am concerned. Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: More Questions About Security Reply with quote Back to top

Mental_Cop wrote:
... to change to their Voip, this ladies sales pitch was that Vonage has a totally unsecure system and that my personal information was at risk from people listening in. I don't remember...
Comcast sales pitch will exaggerate anything to win you over to there service. Did Comcast say there Voip service IS secure? I don't believe, err, it's just not that simple to "Listen in" on conversations on the internet. To my knowledge, Vonage or any Voip provider for that matter, hasn't even provided the feds a way to do this.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: tapping VOIP Reply with quote Back to top

kumarr wrote:
Hi all, Is it possible for any one to tap my Vonage phone linend listen to conversation. I am in India currently, and my neighbour recently made some comments refering my personal info.

Please clarify.

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It is more likely that your neighbor is using a police scanner or some other physical means of tapping your wireless phone, not the Vonage line. Is it possible your neighbor has a parabolic listening antenna? All the neighbor would have to do is point it at you when you are speaking.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: More Questions About Security Reply with quote Back to top

sinceMay2004 wrote:
Mental_Cop wrote:
... to change to their Voip, this ladies sales pitch was that Vonage has a totally unsecure system and that my personal information was at risk from people listening in. I don't remember...
Comcast sales pitch will exaggerate anything to win you over to there service. Did Comcast say there Voip service IS secure? I don't believe, err, it's just not that simple to "Listen in" on conversations on the internet. To my knowledge, Vonage or any Voip provider for that matter, hasn't even provided the feds a way to do this.


She actually did say that their system was secure, she said they "back door" (whatever that means) the Voip signal which Vonage cannot do because they are not an ISP. I have read about security issues with Voip but they always referred to businesses having to use encryption devices to protect information.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:28 am    Post subject: Re: More Questions About Security Reply with quote Back to top

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She actually did say that their system was secure, she said they "back door" (whatever that means) the Voip signal which Vonage cannot do because they are not an ISP. I have read about security issues with Voip but they always referred to businesses having to use encryption devices to protect information.


I think what she's referring to is that with Comcast Voip, you don't traverse the Internet to get to their Voip gateways. You're always on the Comcast network, from a data perspective. Doesn't mean it's secure though.

It would be quite difficult for someone out on the Internet to capture your audio stream and reassemble it. However, if you're close to the endpoints, (you and Vonage), it could be pretty easy, but the same goes with Comcast's service.

[EDIT] - One more thing. RTP audio can be secured, using sRTP, and so can SIP, using SIP-TLS. But don't count on seeing them as a Vonage feature any time soon.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Ezco Is right..

In order for me to intercept your SIP (VOIP) traffic. I have would have to sniff the packets coming into and out of your internet provider.

I'd also have to determine if your Voip provider had encrypted the traffic with SSL and or another encryption. I'd then have to decrypt that traffic, and log it, passing the unmodified packet to you.. I'd then have to do the exact same for the traffic you sent..

I'd have to do this at a speed that would keep your conversation going without drop outs and or packet loss.. Unless one had allot of money to put into equipment, it's highly unlikely from the internet side.

Now, If I was the FBI, and had reasonable doubt, (ROFL) I could install a device called a raptor. This would log every single packet that came into or out of your computer, period. You'd never know, as the only warrant I would have to submit (If any) would be to the ISP. You can thank our senators who passed the patriot act for this.

If i was a nosy neighbor, I would have to build a customized router, install in between your cable modem and your cable node (where the RF converts to Fiber) It would require allot of planning, work, and bribes to the cable company, as I couldn't just "Tap" the line, but i would have to sever the connection and sniff every packet that came thru. Also note i would be sniffing all of the other users in your neighborhood, slowing down the network, ect.

What comcast is talking about, (as ezco pointed out) is that Comcast places the Voip traffic on a separate subnet of the network, or for marketing reasons they may say it's out of band. All it means is that the cable company is putting it on different fiber at the node and trying to keep it in their network as long as they can, because it's cheaper than paying fees to other providers for bandwidth.

In regards to the person in India.. I would say your neighbor has a old radio scanner and is is listening to your phone calls from your cordless phone.

If you are using a corded phone, check to see that this isn't wrapped around some other conductor OR If your using the phone wires in your home but never disconnected them from the local telephone company, your providing dial tone to that wire all the way to where the phone company cut it off.. Your neighbor may be listening that way..

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: More Questions About Security Reply with quote Back to top

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sinceMay2004 wrote:
Mental_Cop wrote:
... to change to their Voip, this ladies sales pitch was that Vonage has a totally unsecure system and that my personal information was at risk from people listening in. I don't remember...
Comcast sales pitch will exaggerate anything to win you over to there service. Did Comcast say there Voip service IS secure? I don't believe, err, it's just not that simple to "Listen in" on conversations on the internet. To my knowledge, Vonage or any Voip provider for that matter, hasn't even provided the feds a way to do this.


She actually did say that their system was secure, she said they "back door" (whatever that means) the Voip signal which Vonage cannot do because they are not an ISP. I have read about security issues with Voip but they always referred to businesses having to use encryption devices to protect information.


Hey thanks (EzCo and gjdunga) for all the info, I feel alot better about the system, I guess Comcast or sales people will do just about anything to secure a sale, though scaring someone into a purchase seems unethical. Thanks again to all.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: crossed lines?? Reply with quote Back to top

There might be something to this. I received a call from a friend today, I knew it was them because their number showed up on my caller id. When I answered, apparently my friend heard nothing and I had a foreign sounding man talking to me? It was very strange. I have heard strange voices over my line before too? Anyone else experiencing this?

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