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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: Selloff Reply with quote Back to top

Vince682 wrote:
Its funny how everyone says they don't like a stock after it has gone down.


You're right. As a general rule I don't like any stock that loses 68% of its value in a little over 6 months. I'm funny that way.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Selloff Reply with quote Back to top

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Vince682 wrote:
Its funny how everyone says they don't like a stock after it has gone down.


You're right. As a general rule I don't like any stock that loses 68% of its value in a little over 6 months. I'm funny that way.


Now 68.24% as of Feb 2, 2:20PM ET

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Well, oh course you don't like a stock if you own it and it loses 68%.

By liking a stock I meant, believing it is a good buy. Stock price fluctuation does not always reflect the value of a business. A drop in stock price sometimes makes a good buying oppurtunity. Sure Vonage's IPO was probably overvalued, but at price/revenue of 1.5 (at $5.80 a share and using trailing years revenue of $600 million for 2006 - we will find out for sure on thursday, but this is ballpark) and the company growing at the rate it is, I think it is a buy. Over the long term of course.

Anyway, what I meant is that it is funny that people are willing to buy a stock at $20 a share, but when it drops to $10 a share they want to sell it, even when nothing about the business has changed. Its a good thing consumers don't do the same thing when they buy phone service or everyone would have traditional landline phone bills because they like them at $50 better than $25.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Vince682 wrote:
Well, oh course you don't like a stock if you own it and it loses 68%.

By liking a stock I meant, believing it is a good buy. Stock price fluctuation does not always reflect the value of a business. A drop in stock price sometimes makes a good buying oppurtunity. Sure Vonage's IPO was probably overvalued, but at price/revenue of 1.5 (at $5.80 a share and using trailing years revenue of $600 million for 2006 - we will find out for sure on thursday, but this is ballpark) and the company growing at the rate it is, I think it is a buy. Over the long term of course.

Anyway, what I meant is that it is funny that people are willing to buy a stock at $20 a share, but when it drops to $10 a share they want to sell it, even when nothing about the business has changed. Its a good thing consumers don't do the same thing when they buy phone service or everyone would have traditional landline phone bills because they like them at $50 better than $25.


I never owned Vonage. Why? Because every reason that this was a bad stock was right there in the prospectus, namely:

We have incurred increasing quarterly losses since our inception, and we expect to continue to incur losses in the future.

and

As a new investor, you will experience immediate and substantial dilution.

As for buying it now, I don't think this stock has seen rock bottom yet. I think Thursday's call is going to paint an increasingly gloomy picture. Maybe if it hits $5/share I might pick up some just to play around. I could be wrong, but we'll have a pretty good indication by the end of the week.

Don't forget (and I could be wrong on this as well, but I haven't seen any announcements about it), the employees and insiders still have yet to sell their shares.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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[...] it is funny that people are willing to buy a stock at $20 a share, but when it drops to $10 a share they want to sell it, even when nothing about the business has changed.


This only shows that most buyers did not have a clue about the company's practices and its product.

You are correct though, nothing about the business has changed. That is funny.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:11 pm    Post subject: Latest Quarter Results Reply with quote Back to top

"Vonage Holdings Corp, the American voice over IP company that flopped so badly on its public market debut last year, has reported another disappointing quarter."

Full story:
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Selloff Reply with quote Back to top

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There has been a selloff in the last 2 days. I to am curious as to who is selling. Does anybody know?

I am thinking about buying this stock. I have already bought some at $6.50. $6.02 looks even better and who knows it may go even lower. I should be thanking everyone who has been giving this stock a bleak outlook. It is creating a great buying oppurtunity. Its funny how everyone says they don't like a stock after it has gone down. If the stock doubles everyone will say they liked the stock back when it was at $6.


Well, then at $4.86/share you must be buying as much as possible, right? I mean, you've only lost 25% of your original investment so far.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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A drop in stock price sometimes makes a good buying oppurtunity. Sure Vonage's IPO was probably overvalued, but at price/revenue of 1.5 (at $5.80 a share and using trailing years revenue of $600 million for 2006 - we will find out for sure on thursday, but this is ballpark) and the company growing at the rate it is, I think it is a buy. Over the long term of course.


Sorry, this is going to sound rude, but that is just absolute stupidity.

Vonage has nowhere left to go - the cost of voice is heading towards zero.

Look around you. Look at the cable co's and the internet ISP's.....

I just don't understand why people look purely at figures. You are missing 99% of the picture!

I've made a lot of money shorting this stock. That has been the only way to get value out of it from the beginning. The company is slowly trading itself out of the market.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Lol, the stock is imploding today, 71 cents down to $4.15, wait whats that looking on the horizon..Bank**ruptcy...
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No. Verizon would buy them at $2.50.

Despite all of their problems, it's probably worth $2.50. I wouldn't bank on it going lower than that. If you're shorting, get out now.
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