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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: heavy downloader thinking about switching to Vonage Reply with quote Back to top

hi, i am thinking about switching to Vonage since my current landline service is just too expensive. im with mci on their old 200min neighborhood plan for 29.99. but with taxes and fees my bill is over 50 and change. im looking at the 14.99 plan to save me some money. i am a heavy downloader(150gig/month) and am wondering if this is going to cause problems when using Vonage. i would like to say that i do not upload at all, just download. i mainly use usenet for my downloads. im on a 5mb/384kb RR internet line, using linksys wired router and almost never have problems with internet. would the downloading give me Voip problems? wondering if Vonage will significantly affect my internet speeds? also wondering whats more recommended, the linksys pap2 or the vtech ip8100? im currently using a panasonic 5.8ghz kx-tg5050w cordless phone. i will consider the vtech for convenience if it's as good or better than my current phone. any input would be appreciated. thank you.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I think that at its worst Vonage only takes 90K of your bandwidth, so I wouldn't think that it would cause any noticable problems especially if your QoS settings are configured properly. I suppose you could try the freebie Skype to make a few calls while you are downloading something as a test. It's not directly comparable to Vonage, but should give you an idea for your comfort level.

As far as adapters and phones, I don't really know which one is better than the other. Sorry, can't help there.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The heavy downloading that you do on a regular basis will definitely affect your Voip voice quality. If you are going to continue with the heavy downloading, I would recommend to you the Hawking HBB1 Broadband Booster. The HBB1 sits between your cable modem and your linksys router and manages your data traffic for a more efficient use of your networks bandwidth. You may be able to accomplish this without the HBB1 by adjusting your QoS settings on your linksys router. If not, you can't go wrong with the HBB1...it's a plug-and-play device that sets up in less than 5 minutes.

Here's a link for the Hawking HBB1 Broadband Booster:
http://www.hawkingtech.com/products/productlist.php?CatID=36&FamID=80&ProdID=216

Being that you already have a 5.8ghz phone that you are satisfied with, I would go with the Pap2 device. You would connect the Pap2 device by ethernet cable to an available ethernet port on your linksys router.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You'll definitely need to implement some QoS, as others have said. One thing you can try though is running this speed test to see how your connection is with respect to Voip.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

thanks for the help. i'll going to buy everything today and get it all set up. if i have problems i'll look into getting that booster. but i hoping it wont be necessary cause i dont use my phone that much anyways(maybe 2hrs long distance and a few more hrs local).
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Rather than considering the booster, you might want to think about a good, robust conventional router to put in front of the Vonage unit. Adjust QoS to favor Vonage.

The Vonage combination router/phone adapters are nice boxes, but they are not robust routers. If you run your heavy downloads using the Vonage box as your primary router, troubles are very probable.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I'm a heavy downloader (and uploader), and have perfect voice quality on both our Vonage lines even when actively sending/receiving data.

If you already have a router setup that works well for you, I highly recommend that you get the forementioned Hawking box, or D-Link's equivalent, DI-102. They're cheap at around $60, and you simply insert the box between your cable modem and your existing router. It'll priorize Vonage traffic over your data. When I'm going full bore uploading and am on the phone, I can tell that the device is working, as my upload speeds drop a little bit, though frankly with downloading I haven't noticed any decrease (nor any voice quality issues).

A new router is also a possibility, but you'll have to invest time configuring it, etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

okay, ran into some problems. when making calls i could hear the other line perfectly but they had problems hearing me. they kept saying i was always breaking up and they could only hear every other word i was saying. i had the person call me back and same thing happened, i could hear them fine, they couldnt hear me. i wasnt downloading anything at the time. later i did a Voip test and this is what it came up with.

Speed test statistics
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Download speed: 4760112 bps
Upload speed: 283888 bps
Quality of service: 97 %
Download test type: socket
Upload test type: socket
Maximum download pause: 80 ms
Average download pause: 3 ms
Minimum round trip time to server: 19 ms
Average round trip time to server: 194 ms

Voip test statistics
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Jitter: you --> server: 69.2 ms
Jitter: server --> you: 15.6 ms
Packet loss: you --> server: 0.0 %
Packet loss: server --> you: 0.1 %
Packet discards: 0.2 %
Packets out of order: 0.0 %
Number of supported Voip lines: 4
Estimated MOS score: 3.6

not sure what any of this means. like i said earlier connection is a standard roadrunner 5mb/384kb line. hardware is linksys BEFSR41 router to vtech ip8100 wireless adapter. i opted for the vtech since i dont have a phone jack near my pc so it would have been a problem to connect the phone adapter to the cordless phone which is on the other side of the house. any ideas whats the problem. i assume it has to do with upload speed. is 384kbps(45kb actual) just not enough for Vonage?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You're upload speed is a tad on the low side. What I would recommend is getting a D-Link DI-102 (or the Hawking equivalent), as that should help the choppiness. It doesn't cure all ills, but does help more often than not I think. The units are around $60.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Your upload speed is not the issue...Vonage recommends an upload speed of 90kbps (kilobits per second) or greater. Your actual upload speed tested out at 360kbps or 45KB (Kilobytes per second)...what confused you is the conversion from kilobits to Kilobytes. Your issue appears to be with "jitter", which is extremely high. Re-run the speed test, but this time disconnect your router and connect directly from your cable modem to your PC and lets see what your reults are.

What kind of cable modem do you have? Which Vonage device did you purchase? Another alternative Voip speed test site is http://myvoipspeed.visualware.com/. Try it so we have something to compare your results with to the Voip speed test on this site.
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